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Old 09-24-2007, 09:48 AM   #141 (permalink)
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No Boldenone is a steroid with a long half life and is used to add strength and sizer and also increases appetite. It's proper term is Equipoise and is given to horses.

The steroid Hermes used was called Masteron and was used to help him recover from the injury he had sustained.

PCP doesn't increase your stamina either, if anything it will make you impervious to pain.

Steroids can make any man an machine simply because feeding your body high levels of testosterone allow you to train harder because you have more energy which in turn can translate into more stamina.

Also unless you were in the middle of a cycle during you're fight, cycling off before you're fight can be disaterous. After feeding your body testosterone for so long, your natural test production shuts down and you produce more estrogen which can cause

-Gynecomastia or "Bitch Tits"
-Hair Loss
-Testicular Shrinkage
-Decreased Libido
-and a severe drop in energy and stamina

Also the increase in testosterone can also-

Increase Muscle Growth
Burn Fat More easily
Icreased Aggressiveness
Skyrocketing Sex Drive
Help you recover faster so you can train day in and day out without being burdened by fatigue
I've been cycling for 7 years now and this is the first time I've heard anyone claim that drostonalone propionate aka masteron to help recover for an injury. And as far as the negative side effects go there are ancilliaries you can take during and after a cycle to negate the bad effects of coming off. HCG for example at 1000 iu's a week keep my nuts the size of plums with no shrinkage. Cabaser takes care of the sex drive. Aromasin decreases prolactin production so you don't develop bitch tits. But any anti estrogen is useless once you develop the lumps on your nipples. I can go on.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:57 AM   #142 (permalink)
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I am willing to get Shogun one more fight before I ponder any reasons for his loss. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and just say it was an adrenaline dump.


If you imagine, he's rated #1 LHW but yet does he fully beleive that he is? I am sure this could play with your mind.

He's still pretty young and I bet the pressure got to him, debut, living up to the hype and just full on adrenaline dump I am sure is more than enough to cause a poor performance.
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I've been cycling for 7 years now and this is the first time I've heard anyone claim that drostonalone propionate aka masteron to help recover for an injury. And as far as the negative side effects go there are ancilliaries you can take during and after a cycle to negate the the bad effects of coming off. HCG for example at 1000 iu's a week keep my nuts the size of plums with no shrinkage. Cabaser takes care of the sex drive. Aromasin decreases prolactin production so you don't develop bitch tits. But any anti estrogen is useless once you develop the lumps on your nipples. I can go on.

Ditto, Masteron isn't an AAS you take to rehab an injury. It's for hardening muscle and has a really short half life. Meaning Hermes was hoping it'd be out of his system before the test. He knew what he was taking.

Anyone who uses EQ (Boldenone) or Deca (Nandrolone Decanoate) are retarded if they are going to have to take a drug test with in a year. I mean the half lifes on those are so long and metabolites can be discovered year to two years out.
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There are performance enhancing substances such as EPO that would increase stamina, but aren't an anabolic steroid.

Steroids or juicing don't directly increase your stamina like EPO. However they will allow you to build muscle faster which allows you to recover from workouts faster. This allows you to essentially work out harder than if you were not using the steroids.

The ability to train at a higher intensity can leads to better stamina.

Personally I don't think Shogun gassing against Griffin indicates he was using any performance enhancing drugs. Forrest's cardio is top notch and the fight was very intense. Shogun didn't have bad cardio...it just wasn't as good as Forrest's.

I think it shows you how hungry guys like Griffin and other UFC fighters are. The Pride guys are going to have to step it up. The sport is continuing to evolve. Camps like Extreme Couture and the boys in Big Bear are setting new standards.

Nandrolone has decent effects on increasing Stanima.

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Medically, nandrolone is used in anemia or selected kidney disorders. Nandrolone also can increase hemoglobin and red blood cell mass, making it popular with endurance athletes.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:22 AM   #145 (permalink)
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Funny no one has mentioned this. In Pride Second Coming they did drug tests and Shogun passed after he KO'd Overeem and he didn't gas.
Have you ever heard of a cycle?

And to those who say shogun being gassed had nothing to do with suppliments think about this small little fact, round one in pride is a ten minute round. Now tell me he gassed because of his cardio, it is plain and clear that supplements had something to do with it, while it may have not been roids' it was most definetly something.
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Old 09-24-2007, 12:32 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Pretty much. At this point you have to be one sloppy ass mother ****er to get caught doping at this point. Thats the word too, doping, dont let roids get by you because it doesnt sound as bad as crack or heroine. I find it interesting people were out for Melvin's head for coke which really has a chance to be more of a detriment then a positive when it comes to fighting compared to roids.

If you seriously love MMA you need to jump all over this shit. The fact that mad cats are even suspected of taking steroids is ******* terrible and it speaks volumes of the situation MMA is in today. UFC had a champion, let me repeat that, UFC had a champion test positive for roids and no one seems to give a shit about it. Not only that the ******* contender tested postitive for it, and even admitted to it. Imagine if someone like Kobe Bryant tested positive for roids, people would be after that cat like he had just murdered a bunch of people. At this point people need to stop ignoring this shit and actually take a stand. If you want to see MMA be considered a brutish sport, please, keep on ignoring obvious bullshit like this. I hate to even agree with Josh Gross because I do think that guy can be a freaking retard but MMA(not UFC) is on a presipice right now, and the future of it is at stake if measures arnt taken to really change the direction that it is going.
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If this sport is to survive it's transfer to main stream popularity, it needs drug testing that is thorough.

UFC and by that context MMA in north america is relying on the fact that eventually people will no longer view it as a brutish sport, but rather a REAL sport.
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Have you ever heard of a cycle?

And to those who say shogun being gassed had nothing to do with suppliments think about this small little fact, round one in pride is a ten minute round. Now tell me he gassed because of his cardio, it is plain and clear that supplements had something to do with it, while it may have not been roids' it was most definetly something.
The only thing plain and clear is that all of your statements are assumptions, based on no facts, and hold no weight.

I really do not not understand why people take these mental "snapshots" of "invincible" fighters in their minds. It is the same flawed logic people use when comparing wins to determine the number one contender. I mean, Tito beat Griffon, right? So Tito must be the best in the world "definetly". See, I can make up "facts", too.

Let me use myself as an example. About a year and a half ago I went to the gym 4 times a week. I was quite ripped, and would have no trouble running 20 min to school. For the last year I have done nothing but eat junk food, party, drink a shitload of beer, and smoke alot of herbs (college ftw). I get out of breath walking up the stairs now. My little brother, who would have never dreamed of wanting to box with me 2 years ago, challenges me all the time now. why? I DID NOT KEEP UP MY TRAINING.

edit: I am not saying no one juices, but for any of you to present pics and Pride round times as facts of substance abuse makes me wonder if any of you even took basic Law in school. Learn the difference between facts, opinions, and assumptions. There are ALOT of you in this thread using only the latter two.
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Old 09-24-2007, 12:41 PM   #148 (permalink)
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My only thought on him gassing (aside from the whole roid theory) was a bad training camp. Maybe Wandy not being there had a negative effect?
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My only thought on him gassing (aside from the whole roid theory) was a bad training camp. Maybe Wandy not being there had a negative effect?
there's another thread started saying he has cerebral hematoma, I'm not sure if this happened during the fight or beforehand.
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