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Pride Steroids (Facts)

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#1 ·
After watching Shogun last night it's obvious that Pride fighters were on the sauce. It's the only way to explain it.
I mean, Gomi gassed against Diaz, Cro Cop gassed to Kongo, Shogun gassed to Forrest.

Hmmm................There seems to be a trend here :dunno:

They are not as aggressive as they were in Pride. I say stop the drug testing. The juiced upped fighters make the fights much more exciting.

What do you guys think?
 
#2 ·
Lynch said:
After watching Shogun last night it's obvious that Pride fighters were on the sauce. It's the only way to explain it.
I mean, Gomi gassed against Diaz, Cro Cop gassed to Kongo, Shogun gassed to Forrest.

Hmmm................There seems to be a trend here :dunno:

They are not as aggressive as they were in Pride. I say stop the drug testing. The juiced upped fighters make the fights much more exciting.

What do you guys think?
Honestly? I think you are crazy.

And Gomi and Diaz fought in Pride, kinda puts a hole in your trend.

And since when does being on/off steroids mean you are gonna gas?

And Crocop gassed in the Kongo fight?
 
#6 ·
Lynch said:
After watching Shogun last night it's obvious that Pride fighters were on the sauce. It's the only way to explain it.
I mean, Gomi gassed against Diaz, Cro Cop gassed to Kongo, Shogun gassed to Forrest.

Hmmm................There seems to be a trend here :dunno:

They are not as aggressive as they were in Pride. I say stop the drug testing. The juiced upped fighters make the fights much more exciting.

What do you guys think?

i hope this is a joke.
 
#9 · (Edited)
TheNegation said:
Honestly? I think you are crazy.

And since when does being on/off steroids mean you are gonna gas?

And Crocop gassed in the Kongo fight?
From reading your post, you have never cycled. So, you would not know where I'm coming from.

Cro Cop is not the fighter he was in pride. He has not been aggressive in his last two fights. Look at the fight with Shogun last night. He was gassed in the first couple of minutes in the second round.

Those guys were on the juice for so long, their test levels have to be low. Which is making their stamina horrible.
 
#11 ·
Honestly I don't think this is as far fetched as it sounds. I don't want to accuse anyone of being on the juice without proof, but I couldn't help but notice how much smaller and softer Shogun looked than usual. Nakamura was also soft, but that's not unusual for him. Also the Gomi vs. Diaz fight might have been in Pride, but it was on US soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of the NSAC. Some of the Pride guys do look smaller and softer and they have gassed. One of the things that steroids help the most is stamina. I don't want to say these guys were juicing, but it's a well known fact that they don't do much in the way of testing for it in Japan and the recent performances speak for themselves. Just something to ponder.
 
#13 ·
sirdilznik said:
Honestly I don't think this is as far fetched as it sounds. I don't want to accuse anyone of being on the juice without proof, but I couldn't help but notice how much smaller and softer Shogun looked than usual. Nakamura was also soft, but that's not unusual for him. Also the Gomi vs. Diaz fight might have been in Pride, but it was on US soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of the NSAC. Some of the Pride guys do look smaller and softer and they have gassed. One of the things that steroids help the most is stamina. I don't want to say these guys were juicing, but it's a well known fact that they don't do much in the way of testing for it in Japan and the recent performances speak for themselves. Just something to ponder.
Dude, he said cro cop gassed against kongo and that he wasn't aggressive! He was stalking kongo like a pray untill kongo broke his rib, plus the knees in the groin later. He didn't see the fight or he is trying to annoy us which is more likely.
 
#15 ·
sirdilznik said:
Honestly I don't think this is as far fetched as it sounds. I don't want to accuse anyone of being on the juice without proof, but I couldn't help but notice how much smaller and softer Shogun looked than usual. Nakamura was also soft, but that's not unusual for him. Also the Gomi vs. Diaz fight might have been in Pride, but it was on US soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of the NSAC. Some of the Pride guys do look smaller and softer and they have gassed. One of the things that steroids help the most is stamina. I don't want to say these guys were juicing, but it's a well known fact that they don't do much in the way of testing for it in Japan and the recent performances speak for themselves. Just something to ponder.
It's obvious, these guys do not look the same or fight the same. Look at a recent picture of Wanderlei Silva, he doesn't like as jacked as he did last year.
 
#16 ·
Freelancer said:
Dude, he said cro cop gassed against kongo and that he wasn't aggressive! He was stalking kongo like a pray untill kongo broke his rib, plus the knees in the groin later. He didn't see the fight or he is trying to annoy us which is more likely.
Well I wasn't referring to the CroCop/Kongo fight and that wouldn't apply that well anyhow since it's now Mirko's 3rd fight in the octagon thus he's been a UFC fighter for a while. The CroCop/Kongo referrence in the OP is not a good one. The OP may be off on that one, but the general idea is not that far fetched in my mind. I hope it's not true, but it's something I have to consider.
 
#17 ·
Freelancer said:
Dude, he said cro cop gassed against kongo and that he wasn't aggressive! He was stalking kongo like a pray untill kongo broke his rib, plus the knees in the groin later. He didn't see the fight or he is trying to annoy us which is more likely.
In Cro Cop's last two fights. He was NOT as aggressive as he used to be. Those guys were juicing. Same with Shogun.

Watch this video, you be the judge.

MIRKO CRO-COP - TO THE TOP - Brightcove
 
#18 ·
Lynch said:
In Cro Cop's last two fights. He was NOT as aggressive as he used to be. Those guys were juicing. Same with Shogun.

Watch this video, you be the judge.

MIRKO CRO-COP - TO THE TOP - Brightcove
Cro cop isn't wanderlei silva. He is not aggressive, he is a counter puncher. In highlights he seems aggressive, but if u watch full fights you will realize he is always waiting for opponent to open up. He fought well against sanchez and kongo(untill the rib thing). He had a lousy performance against gonzaga I agree. If you meant that he hasn't been aggressive in his last TWO fight, you should have said so in the beggining! Instead you said he gassed against Kongo, which is NOT true!
 
#19 ·
TheNegation said:
Honestly? I think you are crazy.

And Gomi and Diaz fought in Pride, kinda puts a hole in your trend.

And since when does being on/off steroids mean you are gonna gas?

And Crocop gassed in the Kongo fight?
They fought in Pride but under US regulations. I think that was his point.
 
#20 ·
as i do think its a good possibility that pride fighters may have been on somthing.....when does steroids....increase your cardio lol....its mostly meant for muscle growth.....despite wut people think there is no superman syrum.....YET!!!!!
 
#21 ·
hollando said:
as i do think its a good possibility that pride fighters may have been on somthing.....when does steroids....increase your cardio lol....its mostly meant for muscle growth.....despite wut people think there is no superman syrum.....YET!!!!!
400 Mg's of Test E per week will increase endurance and stamina. So will winstrol. Most of the fighters are testing positive for Deca. That helps lubricate the joints.
 
#25 ·
Not sure why CC is mentioned...

Personally, I feel his 3 fights were not "Steroid-ish".

1st - He looked agressive, dominating, and confident.
2nd - He looked confused, out of his game, and lacked oppurtunities. He never had the chance to do what he does best because GG took advantage of his weaknesses and new surroundings (ground/elbows/ect...)
3rd - You can say he got injured which effected his game. You could also argue he just had a bad fight against a similar fighter. No one is perfect and it takes time to adjust to a new type of fighting.

Shogun lost 1 fight. It's not like he has become some over-the-counter fighter since he came to the UFC. People often jump to conclusions far to easy when it comes to blaming why someone lost or won. It's MMA. Everybody loses. Without proof, and substantial proof, I don't believe any of the accusations. This steroid issue is a ridiculous arguement as to why certain people are losing now.

Why is Rampage winning?
Is that why Hendo lost?
Why isn't Fedor mentioned if this were true?
What about the Spider?
 
#26 ·
sirdilznik said:
Honestly I don't think this is as far fetched as it sounds. I don't want to accuse anyone of being on the juice without proof, but I couldn't help but notice how much smaller and softer Shogun looked than usual. Nakamura was also soft, but that's not unusual for him. Also the Gomi vs. Diaz fight might have been in Pride, but it was on US soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of the NSAC. Some of the Pride guys do look smaller and softer and they have gassed. One of the things that steroids help the most is stamina. I don't want to say these guys were juicing, but it's a well known fact that they don't do much in the way of testing for it in Japan and the recent performances speak for themselves. Just something to ponder.
I agree. I'm not sure why people are so quick to dismiss the idea that Pride fighters were juicing. When Gomi came to the states he gassed like crazy, as has Shogun. I don't think all of the Pride fighters juiced, but I do think many did. How else can you explain the massive drop off in cardio and muscle mass? Also, look at Wanderlei in his early fights, and then later in Pride. Everything about the guy changed, from the shape of his head to his mass. Look where Barnett and Randleman went, both known to be juicers, when they left the UFC.

If using illegal substances is a major problem where it's illegal, how much more of a problem do you think it would be where it's not illegal? Heck, if you're fighting in an organization who doesn't care if you use steroids, why not?
 
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