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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-24-2007, 12:50 AM Thread Starter
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Chucks game plan

Question for you guys. First chucks timing was way off. Those of you who really train know how its like to fight when your timing is off. Trolls dont even reply since watching MMA does not make you a fighter. Easliy winning the 1st round he then gets rocked in the second and it all went downhill. Jardine is NOT a better fighter than chuck. I was shouting out for the last two rounds that everytime Jardine threw that leg kick Chuck should of been countering with the right hand. Chuck did it once in the third and Jardine stopped kicking for maybe a minute. Anyway that knockdown really attributed to Chuck being reluctant to really engage. What do you guys think.
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I think Chuck underestimated him...

He didnt expect the leg kicks... after all those kicks, Chuck just couldnt put the leverage and hip twists he usually brings to a combo...

In the first round you can clearly see Chuck press the action and made Jardine backpeddle right to the fence and slide to the side...

BUT, after a series of serious leg kicks from Jardine (I swear that were 'a la' GSP) to his lead leg and left torso... Chuck just couldnt put as much weight on the leg and it force him to keep his left UP...

It was clear that Jardine wanted to keep pressure on the leg and the body so that Chuck would drop his left to defend em... the he could serve up a serious LHK...

But Chuck was too smart for that and ate all the damage.

Unfortunately though, the damage was done and Chuck couldnt pursue the way he wanted to... so he had to wait for Jardine to come to him, but Jardine wanted none of it... to the point Jardine kept baiting Chuck to trade in the center of cage.

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Chuck's timing was off, but that certainly was not the reason he lost.

First, if anybody had a gameplan, it was Jardine. He's always done this, 1-2 leg kick, and it seems to work pretty well against a poor striker like Chuck.

Chuck's "gameplan" was to knock him out, and when it didn't work, he was out of ideas.

Both fighters suck at striking, and i felt like i was watching a bar fight with controlled aggression.

Chuck sucks because he basically just uses hands, and no techniques, all power. It's great because it really scares the crap out of people when he starts throwing those hands, but if you can survive a few strikes, Chuck has no options after, except going over and over for the same thing.

Jardine sucks because all he does is 1-2 leg kick, in every single fights. It's a pretty effective technique, because it's pretty hard to throw good strikes after feeling those, and the 1-2 really set the kick up well, but that is not supposed to work forever. When he's not doing that, he's always opened for strikes(and he got hit pretty badly too). He's a pretty solid guy, and that's really what is helping his style.

In the end, I think Chuck's fans are out of ideas to explain why he's losing STANDING UP.

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Ya if he would have checked those leg kicks and countered them,he would have caught him with a couple more right hands and would have rocked him, Jardine already said that he was getting rocked by about every punch of chucks that landed, i really hope that chuck makes a come back and dominate once more, because is really fun to watch when he is on.
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Ya if he would have checked those leg kicks and countered them,he would have caught him with a couple more right hands and would have rocked him, Jardine already said that he was getting rocked by about every punch of chucks that landed, i really hope that chuck makes a come back and dominate once more, because is really fun to watch when he is on.

Nate I am glad you can see it. When I work stand up I was taught to put as much power on a shin kick as possible since you can be put out of position when kicking. So if you are going to kick you better make it hard. But if your opponent is working on chopping your thighs down catch him when he is in that off balance position. Sorry guys I am not a huge fan of Chuck but I think his corner could of done a better job.
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Chuck's timing was off, but that certainly was not the reason he lost.

First, if anybody had a gameplan, it was Jardine. He's always done this, 1-2 leg kick, and it seems to work pretty well against a poor striker like Chuck.

Chuck's "gameplan" was to knock him out, and when it didn't work, he was out of ideas.

Both fighters suck at striking, and i felt like i was watching a bar fight with controlled aggression.

Chuck sucks because he basically just uses hands, and no techniques, all power. It's great because it really scares the crap out of people when he starts throwing those hands, but if you can survive a few strikes, Chuck has no options after, except going over and over for the same thing.

Jardine sucks because all he does is 1-2 leg kick, in every single fights. It's a pretty effective technique, because it's pretty hard to throw good strikes after feeling those, and the 1-2 really set the kick up well, but that is not supposed to work forever. When he's not doing that, he's always opened for strikes(and he got hit pretty badly too). He's a pretty solid guy, and that's really what is helping his style.

In the end, I think Chuck's fans are out of ideas to explain why he's losing STANDING UP.
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Chuck's performance was so disappointing i'm still at a loss of words about it. he really needs a new camp and some new training techniques. the things that worked for him the last 5 years or so just ain't citting it right now.

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i agree with split chuck's game plan is to "ko the opponent" if he's not able to, well the result is known, but i think jardine did well, he did go with his plan to give kicks to chuck, as you can see the left side of chuck that it's swollen, that i think part of the reason that he can't do his puching correctly

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Of course Chuck's gameplan was to try to knock Jardine out. Look at his record, all of his wins in like the last 5 years have been by KO or TKO. Why wouldn't he think he could do the same to Jardine?

Oh wait, look at Chuck's record again and you basically see a list of grapplers. The only guys he's fought who are primarily strikers are Rampage, Jardine and Vitor. All of those fights have either gone to decision, or Chuck has been finished. People have always said that Chuck does not fare well against strikers, and this fight is just further proof of that.

Chuck was dominant for so long because he made everyone (re: all the grapplers he faced) fight his fight. He doesn't have that ability when he faces a mediocre or better striker, because his success has made him 0.25 dimensional (he looks for the huge right, and only the huge right).

I'll be honest, I thought Chuck would win, because with him it only takes one punch to end it, and Jardine just got ko'd. But the one-punch ko power he's blessed with also seems to be becoming his curse.
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