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post #11 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-01-2007, 10:55 AM
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If Hughes underestimates Serra than another upset may happen. However, I think Hughes will come out on top (even though I rather Serra wins so GSP can redeem himself).

Serra has better striking than Hughes and that's pretty much it. Even though Serra is a black belt in BJJ, he hardly submits any good fighters. I think Serra will have a hard time submitting Hughes off his back (which is where Serra will be for most of the time).
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Yeah, I hope Serra isn't counting on his BJJ too much.

He really needs to sprawl and brawl to pull this one off. It's a very good "styles" fight where I think Serra can sacrifice living on another style, and I think Hughes can't (even though his particular style is dominating and relentless, it's predictable enough for Serra to come in with a well-thought gameplan.)
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Originally Posted by Z-man-mma-fan
wait.. are you kidding ME??

did you just say serra beat lytle more decisively than hughes?? DID YOU WATCH THE FIGHT?? 80% of people agree serra did nothing but hold him against the cage, lytle landed more shots and was more active overall. id say most people think lytle should have won. hughes held lytle down like a 12 year old redheaded girl for 15 minutes straight and basically didnt let him moove an inch. really, go watch those 2 fights now.

and no, hughes hasnt tko'd GSP, hes subbed him. which is harder.

serra will most likely get tooled worse than lytle did, hughes has better striking, 4 times stronger, WAY better conditioning, twenty times the wrestler, and like it or not, better at BJJ in the octagon. there is no single aspect serra is better at, not even CLOSE...
If you had read my post more carefully, you would have realized that I was saying that Serra's victory over Lytle was closer than Hughes'--not the other way around. By the way, Hughes did not "tool" Lytle. Toolage was GSP-Hughes 2, not Hughes vs. Lytle.

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I don't really see why people aren't giving Serra much of a chance to win, look at Hughes' last 5 fights.

5. He beat Joe Riggs, who took the fight on less than a weeks notice.
4. He TKOed Royce Gracie, somebody way out of his prime.
3. He was getting picked apart by BJ Penn and got very very lucky in the 3rd round when Bj injured his rib.
2. Got KOed by GSP
1. Went to a very boring and "safe" decision with somebody he should have steamrolled.

Now look at Matt Serra's last 5.
2 decision wins, 1 decision loss to Karo, a decision over Chris Lytle and a KO win over GSP.

I don't see how in the last year or two either of these guys has done better than the other.
Right now I would say they are pretty evenly matched performance wise.
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I've been thinking about it lately, and it seems to me that Hughes vs. Serra is going to MUCH closer than everyone is expecting. Hughes himself said that he just doesn't see Serra as a top ten welterweight and that his name seems out of place when put with Hughes', GSP's and Penn's. I, however, think Hughes would be outclassed by Penn, GSP, Kos, and Fitch if they fought anytime soon.

Hughes is the most successful welterweight in history, but the talent pool is so much deeper now than in the past. He's just as good now as he's ever been, but look at his last few fights. He was being dominated by BJ and would have lost minus the rib injury. He was subsequently owned by GSP, and then he won a closer-than-expected match against Lytle. Matt isn't getting worse. The competition is just getting better.

Serra, however, did similarly well against Lytle--although that decision was a bit closer than Hughes'--and he put up a better fight than Hughes against BJ Penn, and he has TKO'd GSP, something that Hughes will never do.

Matt has a legacy on his side, but considering what each guy possesses currently, I think this will be a very close fight.
You have a right to your opinion, but how can you blatantly ignore the fact that Hughes stopped GSP and BJ? He submitted GSP and TKO'd Penn.

BJ had a rib injury that occured during their match. He wasn't injured going into the match. Hughes pushed BJ into a pace that his body couldn't keep up with and it resulted into a rib injury.

Then Matt Hughes pounded him until the fight was stopped. The fact that BJ was winning up until Hughes finished him is a moot point because in the end, who won?

It's a testament to Hughes. It was a great strategy to allow BJ to exert himself over a few rounds. That's what champions do.

BJ's a great fighter and so is GSP, but so is Hughes. I'm not convinced that Serra is their level,
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the only way serra can win is to keep the fight standing...and seeing as how matt can take just about anyone down unless they have ungodly athleticism...i don't see that happening.

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hughes is gonna take serra down at will during this fight, so serra better be training his ju-jitsu. i really can't see serra pulling a victory, hughes won't give him a chance for the ko and would probably stop all submission attempts. i think matt will grind out a decision, or could even pull off a tko with the move he used on bj penn.

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I think Serra is going to beat Hughes. He has better stand up and his jiu-jitsu will help him tremendously. I give the power advantage to Hughes, but aside that I think Serra will negate everything Hughes has planned. After Serra shuts Hughes up, then GSP will get his chance at redemption and own Serra for the title. It's only fitting that GSP gets his title back from the guy who beat him for it rather than the guy who he beat once before for it. GSP owns.
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I wanna see this fight stay standing for a while, and hopefully Serra can do good there. If Serra starts beating him on his feet, and forces Hughes to put him on his back, I think Serra has a chance of submitting him. We'll see though

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post #20 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-02-2007, 06:06 AM
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I have been saying it for a long time, and I will say it again. I always thought the better fight for Serra was against Hughes and thought he was screwed when GSP won the belt. I am confident that Serra will win.
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