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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-01-2007, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
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Do fighters need to know when to swallow their Pride?

Topic says it all. It seems like to often fighters are trying to train through injuries that leave them not being able to train up to their full potential. I for one am getting tired of fighters using this as an excuse after fights when if it was that serious they should have backed out and not fought anyways. Lets be honest, reputation in MMA is everything. Not being able to train and coming out and having a lackluster performance due to injury can hurt your career more then backing out of a fight.

Guys like GSP seem to have no problem backing out when they know an injury will seriously impact their training which most fighters will tell you is where the real work goes down and the fight is usually won. Anyone else feel this way? I understand when its the lower card dudes who are making chump change and cant afford to back out when it might be their only shot. But guys like Big Tim and Shogun coming out in their last respective fights and looking like dog shit because they cant train due to injuries is just plain stupid to me.

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Ya it pissed me off reading about SHOGUNS reasons he lost. I dont like hearing any B.S. excuse wheather its true or not!
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Topic says it all. It seems like to often fighters are trying to train through injuries that leave them not being able to train up to their full potential. I for one am getting tired of fighters using this as an excuse after fights when if it was that serious they should have backed out and not fought anyways. Lets be honest, reputation in MMA is everything. Not being able to train and coming out and having a lackluster performance due to injury can hurt your career more then backing out of a fight.

Guys like GSP seem to have no problem backing out when they know an injury will seriously impact their training which most fighters will tell you is where the real work goes down and the fight is usually won. Anyone else feel this way? I understand when its the lower card dudes who are making chump change and cant afford to back out when it might be their only shot. But guys like Big Tim and Shogun coming out in their last respective fights and looking like dog shit because they cant train due to injuries is just plain stupid to me.
A lot of that "I didn't train my best, or "injuries held me back" stuff is just excuses for losing, so their fans don't turn on them. Most MMA guys have fixed training regiments, regardless of their opponent. It's a full time job .. it's not like they wake up at noon on a weekday and ponder over a bowl of cheerios whether they want to train or not on such a fine day...

That being said, I do feel that fighters need to swallow their P.R.I.D.E ( ) a lot of times. More than a lack of training, it's a mental thing .. if you underestimate a guy and think he's gonna be a piece of cake, you lose your hunger, that will to push yourself, win at all costs. Not to mention make careless mistakes in the fight.

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Im not talking about dudes who slack. Im talking about guys who get serious injuries in training, which impact them being able to train important thinks like say, ummmm, cardio. Guys like Frank who come out and though beat up on Baroni in the first let him come back into it blatantly because hes gassing due to his injury hampering him.

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Ya it pissed me off reading about SHOGUNS reasons he lost. I dont like hearing any B.S. excuse wheather its true or not!
Ummm everyone from Chute Boxe says Forrest was the better fighter it's not an excuse he is having knee surgery this week.


Now to the topic Yes fighters need to learn that when they are seriously hurt not to fight. But I think it is to a certain extent. I think Shogun shoudln't have pulled out of the fight in all honesty fighters fight with bad knees all the time and while it effects their cardio you can win with a bum knee look at Hamill and F Shamrock.

Sylvia defiantly shouldn't have fought. The man looked in pain when he was walking he could barely move in the cage and fighting with a bad back is a horrendous idea.

Fighters really need to start thinking about the injury they have before they step into the ring. Swick had a rib injury and throwing punches and kicks with a rib injury is pretty hard so he made a good choice to pull out.

Meanwhile they're are injuries that don't require a fighter to pull out of a fight like a hurt knee.
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I think fighters need to stop with the excuses, yes. It gets old when someone loses, and they read off a list of injuries. "My neck hurt" "My leg was injured" "I had a hangnail."

But, Karo pulled out of his big title fight with Hughes at UFC 56. Smart move, eh? Well, he then had to work his way up again, when he probably should've been given a title shot after returning. He fell behind, and I can understand why fighters don't pull out, especially if you're lower-end.


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The problem is that for a lot of the fighters, this is their livelihood so if they pull out of a fight, they don't get paid. EliteXC is trying to do something about this to keep their fighters healthy.

To a lot of these guys, getting $10,000 or $20,000 for *losing* a fight is better than getting nothing. This is a job like anything else and not many of these guys can afford not to get paid, they have not only themselves to support but often they need to provide for their families. I'm not saying it's right, but it put a fighter like Hermes Franca in a position to either get nothing at all or take roids and fight Sean Sherk for the title.

Ultimately, it is up to the fighters, but in some ways this sport breeds guys to fight hurt.
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I get why they don't if they are trying to work their way up. If they pull out, they may not get another chance.

It is a better gamble that they might win the fight, even with the hindrance, than get another shot after having pulled out and wasted all of the advertising dollars.

As for the guys on top, no excuses. If Tim Sylvia had pulled out, he still would have had the belt. They have enough rep to be able to pull out of a fight and get right back into it once they're 100%


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If Tim Sylvia would've pulled out and delayed the title fight until about october due to surgery the fans would've flipped out. I understand why Tim didn't I disagree with him not pulling out but I understand.
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