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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 10-01-2007, 06:02 PM Thread Starter
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Tito v Rashad 2 and MMA's new sense of entitlement

With the prospect of Tito not fighting Rashad in his next fight, i've noticed some people are upset about that and feel Rashad is being short changed. My question is, do people really want to see this fight? I'll be one of many to say that i have absolutely no desire to see these two guys fight again...why on earth would i? The first one was candidate for worst fight of the year.

I think more and more these days we're getting caught up in the idea that fighters have to "finish business" or "avenge losses" when in reality - that's all side show bullcrap as far as im concerned. Do i really care if someone has a draw or a no contest on thier record? No. Plenty of fighters have "unavenged losses" as well as draws and no contests.

Why the sense of entitlement recently? You don't deserve to "avenge losses" unless you're a long time champ, and you certainly don't deserve to take a mulligan because you had a crap fight that no one won. Does Diaz deserve another go at Gomi because he tested positive and had his win overturned into a no contest? Ofcourse not. In Tito and Rashad's case, they were matched up because they got on the same track at the same time, and people thought it would be an entertaining fight. It wasn't. It sucked. Lets deal with it and move on to other matchups for them that might be better. Rashad doesn't need to beat Tito to advance his career, and Tito doesn't need to beat Rashad to keep his going. It's absurd to put them together again when it's clear it's going to suck again just to satisfy some misplaced need for closure.

I'm for entertaining matchups, which they're not. Im assuming most of you are too. In that vein, why again do we need to see them face off? So they can sleep better at night? F that. Feed Tito to Wandy, and Rashad to Shogun and lets all move on with our lives shall we?

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Rashad doesn't need to beat Tito to advance his career, and Tito doesn't need to beat Rashad to keep his going. It's absurd to put them together again when it's clear it's going to suck again just to satisfy some misplaced need for closure.
i respectfully disagree. Evans beating Tito would boost his career, and Tito would be near the end if he lost IMO. but you are right that the fight would just suck again.


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Rashad can beat someone else to advance his career. Say, Shogun, or Houston, or anyone else that's above him on the ladder.

He doesn't 'need' to fight Tito at all.

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Yea, I dont want them to fight again, I rather see them fight different people...Good Post

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Who cares if Rashad gets the decision? All that means is that we have to sit through 15 mins of boring. Who wins is irrelevent, it'd be another crap fight.

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My problem with this Tito/Rashad not happening is why is a no contest with Rashad elevating Tito to where he has any buisiness fighting the upper tier guys while Rashad is being forgotten in Limbo, I feel by the UFC not giving Rashad the rematch they are basically just going to ignore the fact it was a no contest and continue on as if Tito won the bout.

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Towards the end of the fight, Rashad was getting the upper hand. I think Rashad's biggest mistake in the fight was taking to long to feel Ortiz out. The fact is is that if Ortiz doesnt take this fight first, it might be looked at as if he realizes that Rashad was beginning to win the fight and that if they stepped in the Octagon for a second fight, that this time, Rashad would just pick up where he left off. He said that if Rashad wanted another fight, he would give it to him, and now they are backing out of it??

I hope if he doesnt take the Rashad fight, that he gets Hendo or Silva and those guys dominate him the entire fight so maybe he leaves for a while. If he isn't going to live up to what he says, then i dont care if he is around.
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That Tito vs Rashad fight was pretty damn uninteresting. In fact, I think it did more harm than good, because now Rashad seems to be stuck in some weird hole, while Tito Ortiz is off being Tito Ortiz. A second fight between the 2 would be as dull as the first, and really, Rashad is just growing as a fighter, so he should be off fighting different guys. It's time to move on. It's a draw, that's it, take it and leave.

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I'm not sure if I was watching a different fight than everyone else, but I didn't see Rashad dominating the end of the fight like everyone seems to think. He did slightly less nothing than Tito in the last round, and got a takedown with 10 seconds left. If the UFC judges were more apt to give 10-10 rounds, that one should have been one. As much as Tito didn't deserve to win that fight, Rashad didn't deserve to get the draw. I saw that fight as a draw with or without the point taken away. Neither fighter did enough to deserve the win, so why do it again?
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Why do it again??? Draws are bullshit and all draws should just go another round like fights on TUF show do. I still think that Tito getting a fight against Hendo or Wandy just makes it seem like Tito won and Rashad lost, Tito gets to move back up the card whil Rashad goes back down. If they dont want to do Rashad/Tito agian I say thats ok because the fight was boring but then do Rashad/Wandy and Tito/Hendo so at least they both are fighting top level fighters and are both moving up the card. I just feel that Tito was the favorite of Rashad/Tito and the fact they fought to a draw and then when booking the next fights the UFC acts like Tito dseserves to move up the card while Rashad slides down,
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