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Old 10-01-2007, 07:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stop Hating on Chuck

Since the Kieth Jardine fight there have been many many posts ripping on Chuck Liddell. People have been saying that he is one demensional. People have been saying he never fought any good strikers, that they just gave him grapplers with no stand up. People have gone as far as to say he never was a top level fighter. It makes me sick.

The former wrestler and BJJ purple belt Chuck Liddell is anything but one dimensional. The fact is that recently he hasn't had to go to the ground because his takedown defense is so good. Any one who has been watching MMA for a while knows that Chuck does know what he's doing on the ground.

He's fought plenty of good strikers, grapplers, wrestlers, and well rounded opponents. Strikers that have fallen to his hands include Guy Mezger, Armar Suloev, and Vitor Belfort. He's beaten grapplers like Horn, Monson, Randleman, Bustamante, Sobral, Couture, and Tito. Many of his opponents were competent both striking and grappling.

To say that the long riegning champ was never a top level fighter is just ridiculous. He gave some of the most exciting fights in UFC history, was part of the best of rivalries, and helped make the sport main strem.

I know he may be past his prime now. But he's is like 37 or 38 years old. He's always been a party animal and you can't expect a guy who parties to be like Randy Couture.

So please, stop the ignorant insults.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good post, im not really a fan of Chuck though. He was getting owned my Mezger until he landed the Liddell Punch.


Thats my beef with Chuck, he can't win a fight unless he lands that "One Punch". Hes really not that great of a striker, Tito boxed him up and so did Randy, he just hits harder. If a fight goes the distance, (like the Jardine Chuck fight), he is most likely going to lose because he just looks for that one knockout shot.

I know he has good wrasslin, but without his vicious KO power chuck wouldn't be where he was today.

So in a sense, he is one dimensional because the only way he is going to beat you is by landing a big shot.
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To say that the long riegning champ was never a top level fighter is just ridiculous. He gave some of the most exciting fights in UFC history, was part of the best of rivalries, and helped make the sport main strem.
I'm sorry, Chuck was never as good as the UFC sold him to be. He was better than a lot of guys in MMA, but he's never been the best...not even close.

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Old 10-01-2007, 08:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm not a huge Liddell fan, but I do respect the guy and his accomplishments. Sure, he looked horrible in his last fight, but the guy fought whoever they put in front of him, and usually did it in style.

Chuck has beaten Mezger, White, Bustamante, Suloev, Overeem, Belfort, Ortiz, Couture, Horn, Babalu, & Monson. That, my friends, is a nice list.

So, Chuck is a deserving fighter. Some hate him because he's a money maker for the UFC, and that's fine, but the guy helped the UFC out a lot.
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Chuck has beaten Mezger, White, Bustamante, Suloev, Overeem, Belfort, Ortiz, Couture, Horn, Babalu, & Monson. That, my friends, is a nice list.
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Indeed, it is a very impressive list.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I want chuck to go back to fighting like the belfort fight. Where he threw combinations and mixed it up. His backing up and waiting to land the bomb has worked on lesser strikers, but it's time to change.
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Chuck has beaten Mezger, White, Bustamante, Suloev, Overeem, Belfort, Ortiz, Couture, Horn, Babalu, & Monson. That, my friends, is a nice list.
Of the following list, Chuck's only fought and beaten two guys, a somewhat mediocre Tito Ortiz and a man I think was too old for light-heavyweight, Randy Couture. He was twice raped by Quinton Jackson, who's actually beat more guys in that elite top ten than Chuck - does that make Rampage more legendary? Rampage's even got a better win-loss record (percentage-wise) than Chuck...Does that make him more legendary?

Of course in huge part it's that most of these guys weren't in the UFC, but that's not enough to say that he can hang with them. He is less proven when weighed against the current top ten than Rampage.

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Good post, im not really a fan of Chuck though. He was getting owned my Mezger until he landed the Liddell Punch.


Thats my beef with Chuck, he can't win a fight unless he lands that "One Punch". Hes really not that great of a striker, Tito boxed him up and so did Randy, he just hits harder. If a fight goes the distance, (like the Jardine Chuck fight), he is most likely going to lose because he just looks for that one knockout shot.

I know he has good wrasslin, but without his vicious KO power chuck wouldn't be where he was today.

So in a sense, he is one dimensional because the only way he is going to beat you is by landing a big shot.
No respect lost! But!
Tito boxed him up? I have a hard time believing that they can even be in the same league, Tito looked like a scared kid boxing up Chuck, i think Chuck could have ended that fight in about 2 mins, it really looked like he backed off many times just to give Tito a fighting chance!
I like Liddell for what he has done to the UFC and he'll be back for a few more fights which will be great to see win or lose, and I bet he will win many more than lose
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