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post #1 of 82 (permalink) Old 10-01-2007, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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Nogueira vs Kongo is a done deal

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this is going to be a war. December can't get here quick enough for me. by the way, Kongo by KO.

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Im going to bet on Kongo because of this:

1. Big Nog did not look good in his last fight.
2. Big Nog almost got KO'D my Heath's Kick
3. Kongo has better kicks than Heath.
4. Nog is getting old.
5. Kongo is coming off a dominating performance over Mirko CroCop.
6. Lots of upsets so far this year...



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Im going to bet on Kongo because of this:

1. Big Nog did not look good in his last fight.
2. Big Nog almost got KO'D my Heath's Kick
3. Kongo has better kicks than Heath.
4. Nog is getting old.
5. Kongo is coming off a dominating performance over Mirko CroCop.
6. Lots of upsets so far this year...
add has effective groin strikes to that..

if big nog was smart he'd castrate himself
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Ok! enough with the shots to the junk! CC was offered a full 5 minutes to recover and only used about 1 so obviously he wasnt as effected as you are all making it out to be.

This is a good match uo I think, Nog can throw and Kongo can throw, Nog will jus have to take it to the ground and work it from there.

Since the average MMA fan doesnt see Nogs full ability, I can see alot of people choosing Kongo for the win.
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Ok! enough with the shots to the junk! CC was offered a full 5 minutes to recover and only used about 1 so obviously he wasnt as effected as you are all making it out to be.

This is a good match uo I think, Nog can throw and Kongo can throw, Nog will jus have to take it to the ground and work it from there.

Since the average MMA fan doesnt see Nogs full ability, I can see alot of people choosing Kongo for the win.
we're "average" because we picked Kongo? explain this to me please....

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Kongo loses by LHK. Oh wait, that was supposed to be the last fight...

Uh, Nog first round submission, unless the Nog from the Herring fight shows up, then Kongo by KO.
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Im going to bet on Kongo because of this:

1. Big Nog did not look good in his last fight.
2. Big Nog almost got KO'D my Heath's Kick
3. Kongo has better kicks than Heath.
4. Nog is getting old.
5. Kongo is coming off a dominating performance over Mirko CroCop.
6. Lots of upsets so far this year...
I thought Nogueira looked solid in his last fight. Nice stand-up, good takedowns, nice control, I thought he looked good.

He did almost get KO'ed, but he recovered and came back to pound on Heath. Nog got caught, it happens, but the main thing is that he recovered. He got a little cocky in the stand-up, sure, but I don't think he'll be that stupid against Kongo.

That is true.

He's not really getting old, but he is sort of breaking down a little bit. All that punishment seems to be catching up to him, but he looked pretty sharp in his debut, and could still get the title.

Not really dominating, since Kongo was getting outgrappled by Cro Cop on the ground, and had to knee dude in the balls. Kongo won, no doubt, but it wasn't that dominating. He did, however, kill Mirko's will, so maybe he did dominate in a way.

The upsets are unreal, no doubt about that.

Main thing: Styles make fights.

Nogueira is a grappler. Kongo is a kickboxer with zero takedown defense.

I see Nog owning dude and making him tap in the second round.

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we're "average" because we picked Kongo? explain this to me please....
I mean that Nog is the more seasoned fighter of the 2 and favored to win in bookie betting. Average MMA fans, like the type that were brought in through the Ultimate Fighter and grew to worship guys like Liddell who sometimes also had no idea what PRIDE FC was, are the type of people that will pick Kongo because he took a top Heavyweight down, in the same sense, the someone who doesn't realize Nogueira's full ability is someone who is more likely to choose Kongo because they know who he is from taking CC down and from only taking CC down.

Of course, you'd get the idea had you read between the lines of my first post.
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This should be another epic win for Nogueira. Least I hope so. Kongo is a good fighter and all, not great or anything, but good. But Big Nog should beat him pretty easily. I know Kongo beat CC and Nog struggled against Herring, but really that has absolutely nothing to do with this fight whatsoever. This is a totally different matchup, Heath is beast at escaping submissions, Kongo is not. Kongo will get subbed.
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