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Old 10-05-2007, 03:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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lulz semantics.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:07 PM   #32 (permalink)
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guilty until proven innocent i say ^^ seems the commission is feeling the same way.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:10 PM   #33 (permalink)
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At this point in time its going to be very hard for sherk to prove he's innocent, i dont know what to believe sherk could have been fed something of which he didnt know, or he juices i doubt we'll ever know and we'll probably see Penn Stevenson come titlefight time.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:11 PM   #34 (permalink)
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On the other hand, we're talking about the traditional context, which clearly doesn't apply to the commission hearings.
But we werent talking about the traditional context, at least not the way gwabblesore put it. Thats just something you added.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:13 PM   #35 (permalink)
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He's just saying he didn't know he was doing steroids though, which is irrelevant. I think the point is that he was on roids, whether he was "knowingly" on roids makes no difference.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
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The rules defining what is 'legal' and 'illegal' for that specific company would have no bearing on what should or shouldn't be 'legal' for any other company, government, or other institution. In other words, saying *lie detector tests should never be used in a legal case* is meaningless in both contexts. On the one hand we're talking about any of an infinite number of legal contexts, each different from the next. On the other hand, we're talking about the traditional context, which clearly doesn't apply to the commission hearings.
lol

if your taking that route then i`ll say; what is legal in one country isnt always legal in another so does the ideal of legality become a vacuous idea? id say no.

im saying, and as well as the other guy that this is a commonal use of language, a large organization puts together rules and if you break them you are subject to punishment in a form of their "law" and thats why you get lawyers which specifically deal with employee and employer problems. because in the end if an employee wants to force a company to reconsider then they are able to provided they have some legal ground with in the justice system.

so i still say the term is valid.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:10 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I thought it wasn't to do with heart rate because people get nervous when taking a lie detector test anyway...
Yup, some people are unjustly incriminated just because they're nervous as well.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:24 PM   #38 (permalink)
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But we werent talking about the traditional context, at least not the way gwabblesore put it.
I thought you said you weren't qualified to speak for gwabblescore.

Besides, as I showed, either context is incorrect.

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Thats just something you added.
I'm not sure taking a word at its meaning is adding anything.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:25 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Wanna hear something interesting...lie detector test results aren't admissible is court. Wanna know why...because they're not reliable. Wanna know something else...anyone who is dumb enough to sincerely believe that the little ape didn't take steroids should stop posting immediately because they're making fools of themselves.
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I thought you said you weren't qualified to speak for gwabblescore.
Besides, as I showed, either context is incorrect.
I'm not sure taking a word at its meaning is adding anything.
Im not, I coulda sworn he said thats not what he meant after, but ill reread his posts.
By the way, it's clear (i thought at least) im not speaking for but saying what i THOUGHT he meant.
We should probably just get off this though as its completely irrelevant. All his point was (which he verified) is that lie detector tests should not be used in any situation.
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