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This could mean that Sherk vs. Penn is back on the cards??
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WOOOOO!!!! I thought Sherk was clean! Sweeeeet, maybe what happened was some A-hole slipped some roids on Sherk somehow, or put it in his supplements to try and screw him over.
Hope BJ V Sherk goes down!
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As for your hypothetical about cheating coaches, commission rulings are on a case by case basis. They don't set legal precedents. Whatever they decide in Sherk's case, they can decide the opposite in the next case.
Surely you haven't contradicted yourself in the same arguement? Why have you said "legal precedent" if it's not a legal case? Maybe you understand that the term legal does not just pertain to governmental law as you hinted towards earlier in this discussion.
Hmmmm, perhaps there are chinks in the flawless facade of your arguements after all.
P.S. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Sorry couldn't resist, trolling may actually be addictive.....
if he did take or not take roids that is something that only he knows. if it ever turns out that he did and could hide it that good, i would ban him from ever fighting in the ufc again.
Surely you haven't contradicted yourself in the same arguement? Why have you said "legal precedent" if it's not a legal case? Maybe you understand that the term legal does not just pertain to governmental law as you hinted towards earlier in this discussion.
If I had said that they do set legal precedents, you'd have a point. As it is, you've simply pointed out where I've repeated the same point in a separate discussion.
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Hmmmm, perhaps there are chinks in the flawless facade of your arguements after all.
Either that or you've simply shown that you're unhealthy obsession with me continues.
And by the way, if I do turn out to be wrong about something, it won't be the first time.
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P.S. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Sorry couldn't resist, trolling may actually be addictive.....
Mods, we have two self-admitted trolls on this thread. Let's try to crack down on that. The cynics win either way.
On a general note, I wonder what those that find lie detector tests useless would be saying had Sherk failed? I'm guessing it would be similar to steroid testing. If you come back clean, it means you timed your cycle right. If you come back dirty, you didn't.
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Doesn't make a lie detector test anymore reliable. Lie detectors only have a 70% success rate. Supposedly, there are others who say less and others that say more. I think that in itself just proves the unreliability. Way too many variables. It proves nothing.
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Not even if you were using them to prove that they were useless at detecting lies?
And one of these 3 doors leads to a pride of lions...choose carefully.
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Well I mean you have to take a polygraph to get a clearance for most goverment jobs and alot of high end positions in companies so obviously people put alot of stock into what the results of the test is. Also the new computerized ones are apparently close to almost 100% accurate if they gave him one of those. Generally the error in them comes from the guy actually giving the test rather than the machine. This still doesnt mean someone didnt give something to Sherk that might have been some steroids, to me this pretty much proves that he didnt take any or hes dumb and maybe should have done more research on what he was putting into his body.
Wholly shit...remind me to never have you on any jury that I might be involved in. That has got to be one of the most naive statements I've heard in awhile. Kind of ironic considering your handle.
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I'm sure you'll try and drag this out for a while, so have fun.
You sure you ain't psychic?
Sorry but to me anyway...just being accused sets doubt in peoples minds...even if you are proven innocent. It is like being accused of being a pedophile, it becomes irrelevant after you have been cleared...the doubt lives on in many people and your life is forever changed.
Nobody has proven Barry Bonds took steroids but it hasn't stopped him being condemned by the fans. Jone's recent admission of guilt has now made it more difficult for other athletes that get accused. If Jones will lie....
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I think he starts roiding right after he got his ass kicked by GSP. Or he could have just been rioding in his Pride days, and it hadn't yet worked it's way out of his system. Who knows.
Doesn't make a lie detector test anymore reliable. Lie detectors only have a 70% success rate. Supposedly, there are others who say less and others that say more. I think that in itself just proves the unreliability. Way too many variables. It proves nothing.
The point was that there is a much different standard being held to by the commission (popular opinion) than in a criminal case (proof of guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt). If the lie detector test helps convince the commission that Sherk didn't knowingly take steroids, then it helps his case. Whether or not the test is 100% reliable wouldn't matter to him in that scenario, would it?
As for reliable tests, the nandrolone metabolite test Sherk failed is far from incontrovertible. It tests for naturally occurring substances (something scientists discovered about a decade after the test was put in place). Those natuarlly occurring substances can be elevated by causes other than taking the banned substance. The test doesn't even detect the substance it finds the subject guilty of taking.
If that test can get your license suspended and your title taken away, I see no reason why a similarly controversial test shouldn't help you to keep it.
For the record, I hate watching Sherk fight.
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Originally Posted by Joe Rogan
That longing to return to the retarded past can only be born of some collective, subconscious, internal desire to try to turn back the clock on humanity and halt our obvious progression towards the inevitable zombie apocalypse of 2012.
The point was that there is a much different standard being held to by the commission (popular opinion) than in a criminal case (proof of guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt). If the lie detector test helps convince the commission that Sherk didn't knowingly take steroids, then it helps his case. Whether or not the test is 100% reliable wouldn't matter to him in that scenario, would it?
As for reliable tests, the nandrolone metabolite test Sherk failed is far from incontrovertible. It tests for naturally occurring substances (something scientists discovered about a decade after the test was put in place). Those natuarlly occurring substances can be elevated by causes other than taking the banned substance. The test doesn't even detect the substance it finds the subject guilty of taking.
If that test can get your license suspended and your title taken away, I see no reason why a similarly controversial test shouldn't help you to keep it.
For the record, I hate watching Sherk fight.
wow. i didn't know that about the nandrolone thingy test... that's good to know.
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Not 100% accurate but it can't hurt going into his appeal.
Hmm Im willing to bet the testing they used for the steroids is much less acurate.
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