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joppp 10-06-2007 10:37 AM

Non american/UFC fighters
 
I was watching "inside mma" today, a show that at least should be knowledgable, led by "the" Bas and some other guys including Guy Mezger (who I after watching this, for reasons described below, now dislike). So, the show rolls and they talk about IFL shows and so on and so forth and then comes the rankings.

What first suprised me is that when you saw the featherweight rankings they mentioned Urijah Faber and totally dissed the other japanese names (from K1 or Shooto probably).

When we come to the lightweight rankings all you hear about is BJ Penn needing to be ranked as #1 and Roger huerta (who made it to the top 10 ranking and all the hosts ang guests are completely on his nuts hugging and comforting them). The K1 GP is totally dissed, JZ is ranked way to low and the hosts don't even seem to give a sh+t! They don't commentate ANY sort of outside US activity and only talk about american or UFc fighters ALL the time.

And when the HW rankings come Guy Mezger jumps from Huerta's to Couture's nuts saying Fedor doesn't fight anymore and having him #1 is like ranking Muhammad Ali as #1 today etc. And everybody (exept maybe Bas) seems to agree totally.

When thay check out the MW rankings Mezger&co automatically disses Anderson silva's #1 place and start praising and worshipping Dan Henderson. They seem to have forgotten that he lost his last MW bout in Pride to Mizaki and that Paulo Filho could even more likely than Hendo be ranked as #1. But nobody gives a sh+t about Filho either.

Is this what the MMA world has come down to? Popularizing and praising native fighters just to get "mainstream" and completely ignore the international names simply because they don't speak English. Randy Couture was Brazilian sure he would have been respectad, but not near the present level.

This show is a mere example, the same thing happens everywhere! Am I just confused or are all the good fighters simply ignored by unknowledgable people?

Judoka 10-06-2007 10:54 AM

They are not unknowledgeable because of their opinion. Bas Rutten and Guy Mezger are certainly 2 of the most knowledgeable people in MMA in the world.

Fighter rankings are changed after every fight even. So i agree about Fedor but it doesn't mean he cannot ever be number 1 on the rankings, It's rankings and they don't mean to much. Couture has beaten Sylvia and Gonzaga pretty recently in very convincing fashion so i would agree with them there. Fedor may be the best fighter in the world at the moment but he is not ahead of Couture on the rankings.

It is similar to Serra and the Welterweight division, Serra is a good fighter but is he the best? and he has the belt. Fedor may be the best but Couture has the number 1 position at the moment.

toddums 10-06-2007 11:30 AM

I agree with the Fedor thing :dunno:

Couchwarrior 10-06-2007 12:15 PM

You would certainly believe that those guys know things about MMA, but if they were dissing Anderson, I don't know how seriously you can take them.

Damone 10-06-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by toddums
I agree with the Fedor thing :dunno:

I do, too.

Who has Fedor beaten in the last year? Mark Hunt? An old, washed up Mark Coleman?

Randy Couture has beaten Gonzaga & Sylvia.

Fedor's last big win was against Mirko, and guess what, Gonzaga pretty much killed Cro Cop.

So, Mezger is not the anti-christ for saying that.

The MW one, though, I disagree with. Anderson Silva should definitely be number 1.

Flak 10-06-2007 02:06 PM

I think Hendo should still be no.1 MW. Although if he doesn't take a MW fight soon he needs to forfeit that position to Anderson.

Z-man-mma-fan 10-06-2007 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Damone
I do, too.

Who has Fedor beaten in the last year? Mark Hunt? An old, washed up Mark Coleman?

Randy Couture has beaten Gonzaga & Sylvia.

Fedor's last big win was against Mirko, and guess what, Gonzaga pretty much killed Cro Cop.

So, Mezger is not the anti-christ for saying that.

The MW one, though, I disagree with. Anderson Silva should definitely be number 1.

again damone you prove that you dont respect fedor and pretty much hate him like i said you did. sorry but fedor is #1 and will be #1 long after randy retires, so in a fight or two. randy is nowhere near the level of fighter noguiera fedor and hunt are. he would get destroyed by all of them.

and btw, beating a tired, injured, and not driven sylvia and the one kick wonder gonzaga stands NOT EVEN CLOSE to beating hunt and coleman.

and no offense, but nice attempt trying to do MMAth. youre the one that said it doesnt work :)

GMW 10-06-2007 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Z-man-mma-fan
randy is nowhere near the level of fighter noguiera fedor and hunt are. he would get destroyed by all of them.

I don't think youd ever see Damone say anyone but Fedor would beat Nog =P... maybe CC in his prime but probably not Randy.

Flak 10-06-2007 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-man-mma-fan
again damone you prove that you dont respect fedor and pretty much hate him like i said you did. sorry but fedor is #1 and will be #1 long after randy retires, so in a fight or two. randy is nowhere near the level of fighter noguiera fedor and hunt are. he would get destroyed by all of them.

and btw, beating a tired, injured, and not driven sylvia and the one kick wonder gonzaga stands NOT EVEN CLOSE to beating hunt and coleman.

and no offense, but nice attempt trying to do MMAth. youre the one that said it doesnt work :)

Prove Randy can't beat them. Wait, you can't.

Try again.

joppp 10-06-2007 03:43 PM

Well sorry if I sounded disrespectful to Bas and Mezger, but it's not so much their opinions as their ignoring of non UFC/American fighters. But it's more an observation than an accusation.


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