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post #21 of 44 (permalink) Old 11-30-2016, 12:34 PM
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You are quite right but the key is to look at the people who made mincemeat of Nate Diaz, Rory Macdonald and RDA spring to mind. The only true wrestling threat he has fought was Eddie, but he goofed and deviated from his gameplan. Which personally I think is unforgivable. It's like a commando or special forces operative going on a mission to destroy a secret weapon and then saying he goofed up and decided to take on the soldiers in the guarding house instead. Oops he forgot the mission oh dear never mind. The guy should be shot.
Why does it matter what they did to Diaz? McGregor vs Diaz 1 and 2 were entirely different fights to those you've mentioned. I think you're falling into applying MMA math. The question is not how good is Nate Diaz's take down defence against strong grapplers, it is how good is McGregor's. Just because Diaz struggled against those guys doesn't mean McGregor would as they both present such different attributes in a fight.

It's so easy to just say Alvarez didn't stick to the gameplan but just like Khabib found out against Johnson, all fights start on the feet and running in for a takedown is not realistic. So they have to start with boxing and guage the distance and timing of a takedown. Alvarez was on the floor before he even had a chance to get settled and begin trying to time takedowns. Khabib got cracked also and he's the best wrestler out of all of them. I genuinely think bull rushing Nate Diaz is FAR easier than McGregor, as one has incredible distance/footwork not to mention power and the other just has solid hands.

It's about styles. McGregor will be more difficult to take down than Nate Diaz because of his footwork, distance and athleticism. The Nate Diaz fights just show how good McGregor's striking is. He absolutely lit Nate up in both fights before chin and cardio allowed Diaz to gather momentum.

I'd call McGregor to win at least 2/3 against Khabib, RDA and Ferguson.
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Why does it matter what they did to Diaz? McGregor vs Diaz 1 and 2 were entirely different fights to those you've mentioned. I think you're falling into applying MMA math. The question is not how good is Nate Diaz's take down defence against strong grapplers, it is how good is McGregor's. Just because Diaz struggled against those guys doesn't mean McGregor would as they both present such different attributes in a fight.

It's so easy to just say Alvarez didn't stick to the gameplan but just like Khabib found out against Johnson, all fights start on the feet and running in for a takedown is not realistic. So they have to start with boxing and guage the distance and timing of a takedown. Alvarez was on the floor before he even had a chance to get settled and begin trying to time takedowns. Khabib got cracked also and he's the best wrestler out of all of them. I genuinely think bull rushing Nate Diaz is FAR easier than McGregor, as one has incredible distance/footwork not to mention power and the other just has solid hands.

It's about styles. McGregor will be more difficult to take down than Nate Diaz because of his footwork, distance and athleticism. The Nate Diaz fights just show how good McGregor's striking is. He absolutely lit Nate up in both fights before chin and cardio allowed Diaz to gather momentum.

I'd call McGregor to win at least 2/3 against Khabib, RDA and Ferguson.
Your post makes a lot of sense you're probably right about Diaz being easy to take down because he doesn't have the movement and footwork of McGregor. But notice even by your own writing that we are speculating. McGregor doesn't really have much of a track record facing grapplers. What I don't understand is that why do people need it agreed beforehand that McGregor can handle any wrestling attack, the truth the matter is we don't really know yet. It's like someone demanding payment and glory before they've achieved something. McGregor has shown he is an elite striker, we can tick that box, let's wait and see about the rest.
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Your post makes a lot of sense you're probably right about Diaz being easy to take down because he doesn't have the movement and footwork of McGregor. But notice even by your own writing that we are speculating. McGregor doesn't really have much of a track record facing grapplers. What I don't understand is that why do people need it agreed beforehand that McGregor can handle any wrestling attack, the truth the matter is we don't really know yet. It's like someone demanding payment and glory before they've achieved something. McGregor has shown he is an elite striker, we can tick that box, let's wait and see about the rest.
Yep, I don't disagree. But also we can't say "well the Diaz fights meant nothing because Diaz got dominated by Rory Mac and RDA". They showed a lot about how CM deals with LW fighters whilst standing.

Alvarez was supposed to be the wrestler but now all of a sudden he didn't stick to the gameplan. It's awfully convenient given he got KOd in a matter of minutes. RDA hasn't exactly proven he's any more effective than Alvarez in the wrestling department.

Khabib is the big question mark, he's an unknown against CM and the only way to find out is to see them fight.
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The way Johnson lit up Khabib, I think Khabib has the least chance of doing well against Conor. Doubt the fight would even go 1 minute.
Ferguson is a much tougher prospect because of his reach advantage and height, but then Ferguson over commits and gets caught too much so he's getting KO'd too.
I always thought Khabib would destroy Conor but after seeing how Johnson caught him, I started having doubts. For some reason I thought his chin was a lot stronger than what he showed in that fight.

Ferguson is highly intelligent. He will probably hedge some of that risk by being more conservative. He also has the ability to knock Conor out. His style is also going to be a problem for Conor as I see the latter being on the retreat in that kind of fight. We will not be able to walk Tony down as he does other fighters.

In my opinion, that's the fight to make.
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I always thought Khabib would destroy Conor but after seeing how Johnson caught him, I started having doubts. For some reason I thought his chin was a lot stronger than what he showed in that fight.

Ferguson is highly intelligent. He will probably hedge some of that risk by being more conservative. He also has the ability to knock Conor out. His style is also going to be a problem for Conor as I see the latter being on the retreat in that kind of fight. We will not be able to walk Tony down as he does other fighters.

In my opinion, that's the fight to make.
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Saenchai has been talking about getting into MMA.
If he gets to the UFC anytime soon, everyone, and I mean everyone at 155 and below will be panic wrestling.
Conor would get taken to school and get the shit kicked out of him.

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Saenchai has been talking about getting into MMA.
If he gets to the UFC anytime soon, everyone, and I mean everyone at 155 and below will be panic wrestling.
Conor would get taken to school and get the shit kicked out of him.

https://youtu.be/UjqmBHPKg1Q
He'll get taken down and choked out when he throws his first kick!

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I say if conor should want to fight in 170, UFC should snatch up Ben Askren and make that fight happen.

Also Benson Henderson, because he has Jesus fighting with him.



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I say if conor should want to fight in 170, UFC should snatch up Ben Askren and make that fight happen.

Also Benson Henderson, because he has Jesus fighting with him.
Jesus is old news now. The Soldier of God is heavens representative on earth!
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Well he does follow Jesus. Anyways I still find it laughable that Conor could possibly fight at welterweight. He fought Nate Diaz at that weight class and got schooled the first time and had a close match the second time.

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