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post #31 of 44 (permalink) Old 12-02-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Quite a few at the top of the LW division could beat him. He could also beat them. He's got a few big challenges at 155 though, I really hope he stays there and forgets 170.






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I don't get the fergusson thing, he did dispose of RDA in an impressive fashion, and he sure is a legitimate contender as of today.
He doesn't really strike me as "intelligent", and while he is talented and most likely very hard working, I don't think he's on the same level as McG (generally speaking, there are disparities when you look at their respective ground and striking games, and while Conor's ground game is arguably suspect at this point, we've seen him do good things against "mid of the pack" grapplers, and successfuly avoid bad situations against better grapplers, but we've also seen what Nate did with him on the ground)

Khabib may have a good shot, depending on how good his chin is, should he take the fight to the ground, it could be a short night for the irish



I'd definitely pick a wrestler or elite BJJ guy to beat Conor over a striker

We said the same about Anderson Silva, until he got knocked out by Weidman, standing up


I think if you want to beat McGregor, you need to be able to be very threatening on your TD, perfect timing and technique, very high fight IQ, lots of experience and a good chin.

GSP would, I believe, beat McGregor soundly 9/10 times, if we had "prime GSP" against "now McGregor", but then again, there's the weight difference so it doesn't really make that much sense.

but a guy like GSP

1. outstanding TD accuracy and timing (and the ability to execute TD both proactively and reactively)
2. extremely sound technical stand up
3. championship experience
4. the ability to follow a precise gameplan to the letter


Eddie Alvarez, on paper, was a bad match up for Conor, and should he have followed his gameplan, he probably would have walked off with the W.
now, and many people disregard that (or maybe don't see it), what happened there, IMO, is that the way Conor moves, what he does, I believe it kind of "charmed" Alvarez into being reactive to McGregor (take the second step of the beat if you will), allowing Mcgregor to implement his strengths. (which is what happened)

A rematch would be much more tough on McGregor

Ferguson, I just don't think he has the fight IQ to make it happen, maybe not the fight IQ, maybe it's more a maturity/ego thing

Khabib if he can get it to the ground, but that's a big if, that's not an easy left hand to get through.

I'd still give frankie a good shot, he sure can take a punch, he can wrestle, he can move, he can box, he has the experience, the maturity and on paper, the skills.

the most intriguing fight for McGregor now, for me at least, is the 3rd diaz fight. I know it doesn't fit in any of the belt defense scenarii (at least not credibly), but he's pretty much the only guy who gave conor lots of problems in the UFC. one could argue Conor lost the 3rd fight (and I wouldn't defend him in an argument on that point)
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We already saw two of Conor's fights with Diaz, I think it's time for him to fight new challengers at 155. In a semi-fair world, Conor would fight Ferguson/Khabib, then MAYBE a Diaz trilogy, then Ferguson or Khabib whoever didn't fight him yet.

Then for fun he would get a title shot at 170 because he can after beating those three, anyone but Maia because we would see a Maia vs Condit fight again.


Also for Alvarez, I really think he didn't want to go in there and wrestle Conor even though he trained it. I am pretty sure Alvarez had in his head the Diaz vs Conor 1 fight and his last fight against RDA. He was thinking he was going to tag Conor and TKO him on the feet until he started getting lit up and it was all downhill from there. Pretty sad how that fight turned out, I expected more from Alvarez but I was blown away by Conor's precision though.
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A 3rd Diaz fight is the LEAST intriguing fight for me at the moment. We've already seen it twice. Both fights were fairly competitive and enjoyable and it's hard to guess whether injury free Diaz or even better prepared McGregor would take the rubber match, but I don't expect a very different fight overall.

Nurmagomedov is the most intriguing for me, because of their completely different styles. It's as close as it can get nowadays to oldschool style vs style fights. I'd lean towards McGregor, but I'm intrigued to see whether Nurmagomedov can find a way to avoid that left and bring it to the ground. Second would be vs Woodley. I'd lean towards Woodley because of his power, but I'm intrigued to see whether McGregor can outsmart and pressure him and land his left. Third would be Ferguson.
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I don't get the fergusson thing, he did dispose of RDA in an impressive fashion, and he sure is a legitimate contender as of today.
He doesn't really strike me as "intelligent", and while he is talented and most likely very hard working, I don't think he's on the same level as McG (generally speaking, there are disparities when you look at their respective ground and striking games, and while Conor's ground game is arguably suspect at this point, we've seen him do good things against "mid of the pack" grapplers, and successfuly avoid bad situations against better grapplers, but we've also seen what Nate did with him on the ground)

Khabib may have a good shot, depending on how good his chin is, should he take the fight to the ground, it could be a short night for the irish
Ferguson is a very intelligent fighter, he's one of the only guys in the sport that will pull guard and finish guys on the ground. He'll also take a point deduction because he knows he can finish. While he stood with RDA I would expect him to stay on his back throwing upkicks(which he's KO'd people with).





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That is something else that he has against Conor in that he can pull submissions.

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The way Johnson lit up Khabib, I think Khabib has the least chance of doing well against Conor. Doubt the fight would even go 1 minute.
Ferguson is a much tougher prospect because of his reach advantage and height, but then Ferguson over commits and gets caught too much so he's getting KO'd too.

Nate's the only one with good enough boxing to stand with Conor, and even he got sat on his ass multiple times.
Woodley is the biggest challenge. The explosiveness and power could not be withstood if he caught him
agreed, woodley would be one fighter who would have a chance, though, i wonder if the fight wil ever happen
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The way Johnson lit up Khabib, I think Khabib has the least chance of doing well against Conor. Doubt the fight would even go 1 minute.
Ferguson is a much tougher prospect because of his reach advantage and height, but then Ferguson over commits and gets caught too much so he's getting KO'd too.

Nate's the only one with good enough boxing to stand with Conor, and even he got sat on his ass multiple times.
Woodley is the biggest challenge. The explosiveness and power could not be withstood if he caught him
The thing with Johnson Lighting up Khabib is Khabib wanted to prove something on the feet. Once he decided to take Johnson down he did at will. I don't think he will choose to stand with Connor. The difference is with Connor one shot can end Khabib so this is a fight I really want to see. Honestly though I think Nate pretty much laid out the tools to beat Connor. You need awesome Cardio cause Connor fades and an Iron Chin. Or insanely good wrestling and cardio but that has yet to be seen. But out Cardio-ing Connor is how you beat him I think, Imagine someone like GSP weight not being considered. GSP would school connor because he would be able to take him down and all that wrestling would tire Connor the **** out.

Also Connor Does good when he is taller and has a longer reach. Connor wins pretty much any fight when he has the reach advantage. He has trouble when he is not the bigger longer guy.
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The thing with Johnson Lighting up Khabib is Khabib wanted to prove something on the feet. Once he decided to take Johnson down he did at will. I don't think he will choose to stand with Connor. The difference is with Connor one shot can end Khabib so this is a fight I really want to see. Honestly though I think Nate pretty much laid out the tools to beat Connor. You need awesome Cardio cause Connor fades and an Iron Chin. Or insanely good wrestling and cardio but that has yet to be seen. But out Cardio-ing Connor is how you beat him I think, Imagine someone like GSP weight not being considered. GSP would school connor because he would be able to take him down and all that wrestling would tire Connor the **** out.

Also Connor Does good when he is taller and has a longer reach. Connor wins pretty much any fight when he has the reach advantage. He has trouble when he is not the bigger longer guy.
Interesting stuff. I used to think McGregor would be vulnerable if he fought a wrestler, I was wrong, I think he is only vulnerable to fighting a wrestler if that wrestler actually uses his wrestling.
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Well that and Eddie only got high school level wrestling. Chad Mendes wrestled on the collegiate level which is quite a bit higher. Not to mention Conor didn't have alot of strength at featherweight due to the amount of weight he had to cut to get down there.

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