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post #31 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-24-2016, 07:04 AM
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Possibly, but I am still not sure what was going on. Sure, I am hoping for the best, through the eyes of a fan, of course. She was suffering from thick blood since her last disastrous weight cut, which is no news and taking loads of liquids along diuretics supposedly would treat this and put most affected organs back to work. However, if it's a banned substance she needed, there's no reason they did not apply for a TUE upfront. That makes no sense, they are pros, but also I can't see the sense in straight taking steroids with so many random tests in and out competition going on. So, if she was tested maybe a week earlier she would be simply be caught with steroids in her system? Is that sort of gambling worthy? At the position she is, right before the possibility of being the UFC WFW Champion? I can't figure. She is being tested clean a lot. She is under the microscope since ever. Lets see.


Not sure you were being sarcastic here or not, so...
Her doctor is supposed to be clued up on anti-doping regulations, so it could be that Cyborg trusted that whatever she was given was on the white list. Its also been reported that she has applied for a post test TUE, which apparently USADA have been known to issue in the past.

To me this doesn't seem like a straight cut doping scandal, so I'm going to reserve judgement until all the facts are in.

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Her doctor is supposed to be clued up on anti-doping regulations, so it could be that Cyborg trusted that whatever she was given was on the white list. Its also been reported that she has applied for a post test TUE, which apparently USADA have been known to issue in the past.

To me this doesn't seem like a straight cut doping scandal, so I'm going to reserve judgement until all the facts are in.
Agree.
Another thing that would make no sense is Cyborg taking steroids while she is struggling badly to lose weight and almost died last time she went lower than never. Taking steroids is synonymous of thicker and heavier muscles and she is suffering to lose miligrams, not mentioning she is leanest than ever and with age, becomes harder and harder to make weight, specially for a natural LW like her. Steroids make no sense in this regard and only would make her task of making weight impossible.

Hope USADA understands and issues her the TUE, but I won't complain if they give her a year suspension for pure stupidity of not applying for it before hand. This is beyond amateurish for the team of a world champion under the microscope.

And since when asking for a time off stopped anyone from being tested? These are random out of competition tests times. So believing she asked for another month to finish her "cycling" in current USADA watch makes zero sense.
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And since when asking for a time off stopped anyone from being tested? These are random out of competition tests times. So believing she asked for another month to finish her "cycling" in current USADA watch makes zero sense.
Difference is, a random test is just that: random. You might get tested. You might not. But from what I understand *all* fighters get tested after a fight. So if you want to take the risk with some kind of PED, out of competition is far less risky, obviously.

But yes, believe it or not Im not entirely convinced yet. Had a look at what her medical codes mean:-

E87.6 - Hypokalemia
87.8 - X-Ray Of Female Genital Organs
E44.0 - Moderate protein-calorie malnutrition
N83.2 - ovarian cysts
115.9 - Histoplasmosis
Z73.3 - Stress
E06.3 - Autoimmune thyroiditis

Now, some of those can be quite serious. But some of them make no sense if shes claiming its all down to her last cut. I honestly dont know at this stage. Lets see how it pans out.
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I may have misunderstood but the issue is to do with this drug being used as a birth control pill that also has a diuretic effect. Apparently it's a very old somewhat dangerous drug with side effects, but the idea was to use it for its diuretic effect but it be in the grey area because it is a birth control aid. I.e. it has a legitimate use,even though no one really uses any more. What's more he didn't go through the correct channels to get any exemption. So at the very least she's going to get a one-year suspension.
Whatever Dolce said about whatever Cyborg was taking can also be said for many over the counter drugs doctors prescribe on a regular basis.

Even something as innocent as a hot shower can cause permanent brain damage.

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TAKING SHOWERS 'CAN DAMAGE YOUR BRAIN'

TAKING regular showers could give you brain damage, a study claimed yesterday.

Scientists believe that breathing in small amounts of manganese found in water may harm the central nervous system.

Dr John Spangler, of Wake Forest University in New Carolina, said: "If our results are confirmed, they could have profound implications for the world. Inhaling manganese, rather than eating or drinking it, is far more efficient at delivering it to the brain."

Manganese is in food and rocks and enters the air, soil and water.

It damages the brain leading to learning difficulties, tremors and changes in behaviour. Dr Spangler's team claim that a 10-minute shower a day for 10 years would expose children to three times higher doses than would be needed to damage a rat's brain. Adults with more years in the shower would receive doses 50 per cent higher.

In the US, 0.5 milligrams of manganese per litre is allowed in water. The permitted level in the EU was cut to 0.05mgs in 1998.

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Difference is, a random test is just that: random. You might get tested. You might not. But from what I understand *all* fighters get tested after a fight. So if you want to take the risk with some kind of PED, out of competition is far less risky, obviously.

But yes, believe it or not Im not entirely convinced yet. Had a look at what her medical codes mean:-

E87.6 - Hypokalemia
87.8 - X-Ray Of Female Genital Organs
E44.0 - Moderate protein-calorie malnutrition
N83.2 - ovarian cysts
115.9 - Histoplasmosis
Z73.3 - Stress
E06.3 - Autoimmune thyroiditis

Now, some of those can be quite serious. But some of them make no sense if shes claiming its all down to her last cut. I honestly dont know at this stage. Lets see how it pans out.
Sure, there's no discussion it is easier to get popped after a fight rather than in a random test that may or not happen. Still, she has a highest probability of being randomly tested than anyone else.

Believe or not, I just want the truth too, so I appreciate you are willing to wait to see what is really happening.

I don't believe she collected these numerous health issues from her last cut. I think these conditions have been accumulating from years of weight cutting, even to 145, and just got worsened when she pushed down to the first 140 cut and finally been off the chart in this last cut, which was by far the worst of her life, being ridiculously behind the schedule to the point most wouldn't believe she would make weight at all.
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And since when asking for a time off stopped anyone from being tested? These are random out of competition tests times. So believing she asked for another month to finish her "cycling" in current USADA watch makes zero sense.
The interesting thing is that even with the random testing, this was the first time the Cyborg's been tested when she wasn't in a fight camp. All the other out of competition tests happened within a couple weeks or so of her fights.
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The interesting thing is that even with the random testing, this was the first time the Cyborg's been tested when she wasn't in a fight camp. All the other out of competition tests happened within a couple weeks or so of her fights.
That doesn't make random tests any less random. So, if she was taking steroids, and got randomly tested, she would be busted for steroids, but she was flagged with a diuretic, after the competition, in a random test.
It's a lot of gambling to risk everything counting that you won't be chosen for a random test when you have a big target on your chest.
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Just to play devil's advocate she might've been taking it for medical reasons. Unfortunately we don't know enough.

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I may be crazy but wouldn't the right thing to do be to notify USADA of this treatment BEFORE you get caught for it? I thought it was pretty clear you can do whatever you want, to a certain extent, if you call them and be like hey I have to do this to my body and they'll be all... ok cool but just to be clear you're not going to eligible to fight until you get all that sorted.

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I may be crazy but wouldn't the right thing to do be to notify USADA of this treatment BEFORE you get caught for it? I thought it was pretty clear you can do whatever you want, to a certain extent, if you call them and be like hey I have to do this to my body and they'll be all... ok cool but just to be clear you're not going to eligible to fight until you get all that sorted.
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