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post #21 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-29-2016, 01:34 PM
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Either way the commission took him out of it.
From what I understand, if a fighter is cleared by the commission, in spite of a presently known and disclosed injury and if that documented injury becomes exacerbated as a result of the fight, said fighter could sue the shite out of the authority that cleared him, aka the commission. Undisclosed injuries fall back on the fighter hiding the injury, but if you come out the gates with your list of ailments like Cain did on a public interview, it puts the commission in a murky position of legal liability. Cain isn't new to the sport and he's a smart guy, I believe he knew what he was doing. He's no rookie to the fight game.
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In other words he is trying to dodge the fight and used an injury not cleared by the commission as an excuse.

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In other words he is trying to dodge the fight and used an injury not cleared by the commission as an excuse.
Like I said from the beginning "he's a coward" !

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I wouldn't describe him that way considering who he's faced in the past.

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I wouldn't describe him that way considering who he's faced in the past.
He is a good fighter, that I don't argue with; but his way of getting out of this fight was ridiculous! It was a shame, and he knew how to pull himself out. Don't know where I read it but maybe "his nothing without his juice" !! Maybe that statement is true, maybe not. Time will tell..

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He didn't fail a drug test he failed his physical.

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Cain was in bad shape and he knew he wasn't suitable to fight. He then decided to make the commission to pull him rather than announcing he was pulling out by himself. I really have no issues with this approach. Bottom line is, he would be a wreck going into the fight and that would be a waste of time for everyone, and consequences could range between him losing badly and we all talking about how hurt he was to him worsening his condition to a beyond repair state.
I am glad he didn't fight.
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Cain was in bad shape and he knew he wasn't suitable to fight. He then decided to make the commission to pull him rather than announcing he was pulling out by himself. I really have no issues with this approach. Bottom line is, he would be a wreck going into the fight and that would be a waste of time for everyone, and consequences could range between him losing badly and we all talking about how hurt he was to him worsening his condition to a beyond repair state.
I am glad he didn't fight.
Yes, it's ok to do it that way. If he's hurt, he should not fight, no matter whether he pulls out or gets the commission to pull him. What would even better is if he was leaving AKA and go to a gym that doesn't ruin their fighters' health.
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Yes, it's ok to do it that way. If he's hurt, he should not fight, no matter whether he pulls out or gets the commission to pull him. What would even better is if he was leaving AKA and go to a gym that doesn't ruin their fighters' health.
I think probably its the fighters themselves that are responsible mostly. Cormier said recently if he doesn't train all out as hard as possible he would go into a fight without confidence because he would feel he has not trained hard enough. Very flawed thinking, but if your a coach probably hard to change this kind of thinking in world champions, easy enough in people rising up but not those at the top already.

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I think probably its the fighters themselves that are responsible mostly. Cormier said recently if he doesn't train all out as hard as possible he would go into a fight without confidence because he would feel he has not trained hard enough. Very flawed thinking, but if your a coach probably hard to change this kind of thinking in world champions, easy enough in people rising up but not those at the top already.
Of course it's ultimately in the hands of the fighters, but it's the responsibility of the coaches to create the training environment and explain the training to the fighters. It is remarkable how specifically fighters from this gym are constantly injured. And it's not only the hard sparring, but also training technique. There's a video around of Velasquez doing some strength & conditioning where his s&g coach tells him to do an exercise which already 20 years ago random people at the gym told me to avoid, because it would damage my knees.
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