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Woodley said that he was refusing to fight until he was given a title shot, all the while being on a two fight win streak.
And why wasn't he on a three fight win streak...oh yeah Hendricks missed weight and the UFC promised him the title shot after granting the guy he beat (Condit) the shot ahead of him. He beat Stun Gun and Gastelum while Condit beat Thiago Alves...who was more deserving then?

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Woodley wasn't interested in giving Stephen Thompson a shot at the title even though he was the number one contender. Wasn't too interested in Maia either.
Woodley was interesting in the lineal champion GSP or his Strikeforce title fight Nick Diaz which the UFC pulled from him. Both of which would have paid much better than co-maining an event.

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Woodley and Thompson fight to a draw.
And if it was Woodley who was the challenger and Thompson the champion would you push for him to get a rematch?

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Woodley calls out Nick Diaz, Georges St Pierre and Conor McGregor rather than look to avenge the Thompson fight. None accept. Woodley calls out Michael Bisping for a catchweight. Breaks down. Woodley says Thompson doesn't deserve a rematch and might give Maia a shot instead. Eventually signs to fight Thompson.
All of which much bigger fights for a guy whose been fighting top ten guys for years at low pay. And quite frankly avenging the Diaz fight that was taken from him is much more important than granting Wonderboy a second crack and trying to outpoint him for 25 minutes.


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I feel bad for Maia... tbh, maybe they should've had Thompson fight a contender first, he had his shot... couldn't get the win, and there is a deserving contender waiting, never cared for that Bisping fight, or GSP coming back for an instant title shot. But Maia is getting old, and he is on a tear, he deserves it.
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I feel bad for Maia... tbh, maybe they should've had Thompson fight a contender first, he had his shot... couldn't get the win, and there is a deserving contender waiting, never cared for that Bisping fight, or GSP coming back for an instant title shot. But Maia is getting old, and he is on a tear, he deserves it.
The draw was a bummer but good decision. Thompson clearly lost a 2 pt. round, and won 3 rounds (even though 2 of the judges were in la la land in their scoring). No choice but to rematch.

Maia gets next and I predict he takes the title. I think he can wrap up anyone. Let's hope Thompson wins, because Woodley will definitely try to duck him. The guy is delusional.
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And why wasn't he on a three fight win streak...oh yeah Hendricks missed weight and the UFC promised him the title shot after granting the guy he beat (Condit) the shot ahead of him. He beat Stun Gun and Gastelum while Condit beat Thiago Alves...who was more deserving then?
Demian Maia and Stephen Thompson.

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Woodley was interesting in the lineal champion GSP or his Strikeforce title fight Nick Diaz which the UFC pulled from him. Both of which would have paid much better than co-maining an event.
Georges St Pierre hasn't fought in over 3 years. Nick Diaz hasn't won a fight in over 5. If either of these fighters were currently bigger threats than Stephen Thompson, then I'd have agreed with his decision. I also couldn't care less about fighter's bank accounts, I care about what happens inside the cage.

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And if it was Woodley who was the challenger and Thompson the champion would you push for him to get a rematch?
Absolutely. A world title fight ends in a draw; you run it back.

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All of which much bigger fights for a guy whose been fighting top ten guys for years at low pay. And quite frankly avenging the Diaz fight that was taken from him is much more important than granting Wonderboy a second crack and trying to outpoint him for 25 minutes.
Again, don't care about his pay. You want me to respect a fighter trying to pick easier opponents than the rightful number one contender because they pay better? If Woodley doesn't want to fight any contenders, he should vacate the belt. Yes, I feel the same if Conor McGregor refuses to fight Khabib or Ferguson next, and yes, I feel the same if Bisping refuses to fight Romero next.

Woodley is a wank mate. There's a reason everyone thinks so, and before you spout your agenda, there's a reason I'm not calling Anderson, Jones, Cormier, Johnson, Lewis and all these other 'particular fighters' a wank.

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So Woodley who was 4-1 (W Condit, Gastelum, Stun Gun, Koscheck and L Rory) was less deserving of the Condit shot than Demian Maia and Stephen Thompson and what were they doing at that time...

Demian Maia who was 4-1 (W Alexander Yakovlev, Ryan LaFlare, Neil Magny, Gunnar Nelson and L Rory)

Stephen Thompson who was 5-1 (W Nashon Burrell, Chris Clements, Robert Whitaker, Patrick Cote, Jake Ellenberger and L Matt Brown)

Were Maia and Thompson on the same level as the competition Woodley ran through in Strikeforce when the UFC poached his big championship fight and fed him to a roided out MW Nate Marquardt?

(Tarec Saffadiene, Paul Daley, Jordan Mein, Andre Galvao, and Nathan Coy), I'd say that Strikeforce was more deserving of a title shot than Wonderboy post Ellenberger win.

But all of this is almost beside the point, because Woodley is fighting in six weeks, to the guy you people claim he's ducking all the while the "fighters of the year" with the convenient knee or eye injury is nowhere to be seen.

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Again, don't care about his pay. You want me to respect a fighter trying to pick easier opponents than the rightful number one contender because they pay better? If Woodley doesn't want to fight any contenders, he should vacate the belt. Yes, I feel the same if Conor McGregor refuses to fight Khabib or Ferguson next, and yes, I feel the same if Bisping refuses to fight Romero next.

Woodley is a wank mate. There's a reason everyone thinks so, and before you spout your agenda, there's a reason I'm not calling Anderson, Jones, Cormier, Johnson, Lewis and all these other 'particular fighters' a wank.
Fighters like Woodley get one shot at a money fight, he's booked four of them. Wonderboy got his title shot and he didn't win, perhaps Maia should be next in line but they really should just fight each other. Considering the hoops Jacare/Romero and Ferguson/Khabib have had to jump through those two fighting each other isn't really on the same level.


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So Woodley who was 4-1 (W Condit, Gastelum, Stun Gun, Koscheck and L Rory) was less deserving of the Condit shot than Demian Maia and Stephen Thompson and what were they doing at that time...

Demian Maia who was 4-1 (W Alexander Yakovlev, Ryan LaFlare, Neil Magny, Gunnar Nelson and L Rory)

Stephen Thompson who was 5-1 (W Nashon Burrell, Chris Clements, Robert Whitaker, Patrick Cote, Jake Ellenberger and L Matt Brown)

Were Maia and Thompson on the same level as the competition Woodley ran through in Strikeforce when the UFC poached his big championship fight and fed him to a roided out MW Nate Marquardt?
Or, in a less biased way of doing it:-

Demian Maia was 4-0 with wins over Ryan LaFlare, Neil Magny and Gunnar Nelson.
Stephen Thompson was 5-0 with wins of Robert Whitaker, Patrick Cote and Jake Ellenberger.
Tyron Woodley was 2-0 with wins over Dong Hyun Kim and Kelvin Gastelum.

It's almost always your current streak that wins you a title shot. No one's saying Nick Diaz deserves a title shot cause he KOed Robbie Lawler.

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(Tarec Saffadiene, Paul Daley, Jordan Mein, Andre Galvao, and Nathan Coy), I'd say that Strikeforce was more deserving of a title shot than Wonderboy post Ellenberger win.
I agree. But how is that even relevant? That's not the situation we were presented with, and why are things Woodley did almost 3 years prior relevant to where he was in the division at that moment?

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But all of this is almost beside the point, because Woodley is fighting in six weeks, to the guy you people claim he's ducking all the while the "fighters of the year" with the convenient knee or eye injury is nowhere to be seen.
I don't believe he is or was ducking him. I believe he wanted to fight easier opponents for more money (well, not a case of belief to be fair). I'm not sure what you meant with the fighters of the year injury thing meant. I think there's something a tiny bit grammatically off and it's throwing me on what it's meaning was, sorry.

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Fighters like Woodley get one shot at a money fight, he's booked four of them. Wonderboy got his title shot and he didn't win, perhaps Maia should be next in line but they really should just fight each other. Considering the hoops Jacare/Romero and Ferguson/Khabib have had to jump through those two fighting each other isn't really on the same level.
Woodley got his shot to defend his title. He didn't win. See how that works? Regardless of the fact that Ferguson/Khabib or Romero haven't fought to a draw with the champion in their last fight, I also disagree with the idea of losing potential title contenders with a Ferguson/Khabib fight. I think the next fights should have been:-

Tony Ferguson Vs Conor McGregor
Khabib Nurmagomedov Vs Nate Diaz (Obviously not the UFC's fault. Edson Barboza could have been a fitting replacement. Could even slap interim in the title to give Diaz that idea that a win guarantees a trilogy and the big money fight, which he likely doesnt go for anyways)

Tyron Woodley Vs Stephen Thompson 2 (With Demian Maia getting the winner if he chooses to stay out)
Donald Cerrone Vs Dong Hyun Kim
Robbie Lawler Vs Nick Diaz (or failing that, Carlos Condit rematch)

Michael Bisping Vs Yoel Romero
Jacare Souza Vs Gegard Mousasi (Number one contenders fight)
Kelvin Gastelum Vs Chris Weidman
Luke Rockhold Vs Robert Whitaker (Last two fights are to either prove Whitaker or Gastelum deserve a shot, or start building momentum back to the proven top guys)
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Or, in a less biased way of doing it:-

Demian Maia was 4-0 with wins over Ryan LaFlare, Neil Magny and Gunnar Nelson.
Stephen Thompson was 5-0 with wins of Robert Whitaker, Patrick Cote and Jake Ellenberger.
Tyron Woodley was 2-0 with wins over Dong Hyun Kim and Kelvin Gastelum.
And if I'm ranking those fighters, Thompson had the two easiest and Woodley had the two toughest.

1. Gastelum
2. Stun Gun
3. Whitaker
4. Nelson
5. Magny
6. LaFlare
7. Cote
8. Ellenberger

And the guy who got the shot, ahead of Woodley was Condit on a one fight win streak.


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It's almost always your current streak that wins you a title shot. No one's saying Nick Diaz deserves a title shot cause he KOed Robbie Lawler.
Yes such impressive streaks as um well...

209 - Thompson - DRAW
208 - Holm - 2 LOSES
207 - Rousey - 1 LOSS
206 - Pettis - 1 WIN
205 - McGregor - 1 WIN
204 - Henderson - 1 WIN



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Woodley got his shot to defend his title. He didn't win. See how that works?
Did they strip him of the title? Who is carrying the belt into the fight?


Quite frankly I don't believe any of the top five guys right now at WW have "earned" title shots as Maia, Lawler, Cerrone, and Thompson all could use a big win. I'd be perfectly happy with Ben Askren to walk right into the UFC and challenge for the title
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And if I'm ranking those fighters, Thompson had the two easiest and Woodley had the two toughest.

1. Gastelum
2. Stun Gun
3. Whitaker
4. Nelson
5. Magny
6. LaFlare
7. Cote
8. Ellenberger
Why are we not including Hendricks again actually? Woodley Vs Lawler was announced after Wonderboy Vs Hendricks. A 6 fight win streak and according to Fight Matrix at least, Hendricks was ranked number 2 in the division when Stephen Thompson stopped him in one round.

I don't have TOO much of a problem with the Woodley fight but at the time I definitely thought it was 1. Thompson, 2. Woodley, 3. Condit rematch, 4. Maia.

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And the guy who got the shot, ahead of Woodley was Condit on a one fight win streak.
I'm not sure how that really justifies Woodley more than doesn't justify Condit.

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Yes such impressive streaks as um well...

209 - Thompson - DRAW
208 - Holm - 2 LOSES
207 - Rousey - 1 LOSS
206 - Pettis - 1 WIN
205 - McGregor - 1 WIN
204 - Henderson - 1 WIN
Same thing again. Why are you using other situations, most of which I don't agree with, as your evidence of another thing I don't agree with being right? Also, lmfao at using the Thompson draw as your example, that's pretty hilarious.

But yeah, there's plenty of title shots I don't like being handed out. In most situations, it's usually out of a lack of challengers (FW, WSW, LHW etc.) but for sure there are some. I'm not up in arms at the first Woodley title shot. He decided to sit out at a time where I didn't feel he'd earned a title shot and it worked out for the lad. Cool. But now he's talking about OTHERS being entitled? Wank.

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Did they strip him of the title? Who is carrying the belt into the fight?
Check out Ric Flair over here. Absolutely delighted with someone getting counted out so they can keep the belt. It was a draw. That's it. Simple fact. You can say Wonderboy never won the fight, nor did Woodley. Henceforth why the rematch is the correct thing to do.

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Quite frankly I don't believe any of the top five guys right now at WW have "earned" title shots as Maia, Lawler, Cerrone, and Thompson all could use a big win. I'd be perfectly happy with Ben Askren to walk right into the UFC and challenge for the title
So wait, Woodley gets credited well for the Condit win which, meh, I give him credit for but not every tiny ounce of it, but Maia smashing him in seconds isn't good enough?

Also, it's absolutely insane that you think a 7 fight win streak including wins over number 2 ranked Hendricks and Rory MacDonald, as well as a draw in his last fight with the recent champion, means that Thompson "needs a big name win" lmfao. I mean, that's a joke right?

Oh, I get it. You're more impressed by wins over Nikolay Aleksakhin, Nobutatsu Suzuki, Bakhtiyar Abbasov (the only people Askren has beat in almost 4 years) than the people Cerrone, Lawler, Maia and Thompson have beat. Cool. Pride Never Die, down with Zuffwhoeveritisnow, coolio. Smh.

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Why are we not including Hendricks again actually? Woodley Vs Lawler was announced after Wonderboy Vs Hendricks. A 6 fight win streak and according to Fight Matrix at least, Hendricks was ranked number 2 in the division when Stephen Thompson stopped him in one round.
Because YOU didn't put Hendricks on your list. You listed EIGHT fighters so I ranked them.

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I don't have TOO much of a problem with the Woodley fight but at the time I definitely thought it was 1. Thompson, 2. Woodley, 3. Condit rematch, 4. Maia.
You just think he shouldn't have gotten a title shot and he has to constantly defend against the number #1 contender, even though I'm pretty sure he's the only male champion right now that has to do that. Cruz didn't fight Dillashaw, Johnson didn't fight Benavidez, Alvarez didn't fight Ferguson or Khabib, Aldo didn't fight Holloway, McGregor didn't fight Aldo, Bisping didn't fight Romero. Perhaps this is the new racism but it seems awfully funny when the rules seem to only apply to this guy.


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I'm not sure how that really justifies Woodley more than doesn't justify Condit.
Woodley won the title, Condit didn't...that justifies the title shot. Someone who you apparently don't consider the real champion.


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Same thing again. Why are you using other situations, most of which I don't agree with, as your evidence of another thing I don't agree with being right? Also, lmfao at using the Thompson draw as your example, that's pretty hilarious.
You said win streaks count...Thompson isn't on a win streak. Logic seems to be difficult to you.

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But yeah, there's plenty of title shots I don't like being handed out. In most situations, it's usually out of a lack of challengers (FW, WSW, LHW etc.) but for sure there are some. I'm not up in arms at the first Woodley title shot. He decided to sit out at a time where I didn't feel he'd earned a title shot and it worked out for the lad. Cool. But now he's talking about OTHERS being entitled? Wank.
Woodley will fight them all and do it on short notice the fact that the low money has to come first is his issue, which is fair because lets be frank. The UFC never wanted Woodley they bought his company.

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Check out Ric Flair over here. Absolutely delighted with someone getting counted out so they can keep the belt. It was a draw. That's it. Simple fact. You can say Wonderboy never won the fight, nor did Woodley. Henceforth why the rematch is the correct thing to do.
The right thing to do is to give the champion the same treatment every other champion in the company is getting and not for people like you to call for the stripping of his belt when all the 34 year old champion wants to do is make money.


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So wait, Woodley gets credited well for the Condit win which, meh, I give him credit for but not every tiny ounce of it, but Maia smashing him in seconds isn't good enough?
It's okay, Condit was talking retirement and on the last fight of his contract for Maia. Much like when Wonderboy head kicked Hendricks I said wait and see how Johny rebounds because he might have been done going into that fight.

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Also, it's absolutely insane that you think a 7 fight win streak including wins over number 2 ranked Hendricks and Rory MacDonald, as well as a draw in his last fight with the recent champion, means that Thompson "needs a big name win" lmfao. I mean, that's a joke right?
He got his title shot...doesn't deserve two especially with fighters coming off title loses, I believe they have a 25-30% win rate. Anyone who knows anything about this sport is the best time to get a fight against a former champion is right after they lose the belt or the title shot. I wouldn't mind seeing him face Cerrone, Larkin or Maia.

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Oh, I get it. You're more impressed by wins over Nikolay Aleksakhin, Nobutatsu Suzuki, Bakhtiyar Abbasov (the only people Askren has beat in almost 4 years) than the people Cerrone, Lawler, Maia and Thompson have beat. Cool. Pride Never Die, down with Zuffwhoeveritisnow, coolio. Smh.
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To me this match makes sense considering neither fighter technically lost.

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