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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 03-04-2017, 04:58 AM Thread Starter
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Should the UFC be more proactive about weight cutting?

Should the UFC be more proactive about weight cutting?

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We all know that it is a fighters responsibility to sign the contract and make the specified weight, please understand this thread is not about exonerating guilty fighters for missing their contracted weight.

However we should be open minded when seeking a solution to this problem, I'm not interested in the blame game.

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Random OOC weighings to determine at which weight a fighter will get the next fight. Make the limit weight class +10% for walk around weight, so i.e. if you want to compete at WW with 170lbs, your walk around weight should not be over 187lbs. No expensive laboratory needed, just a scale.

If you miss weight for a fight, your next two fights will automatically be at the next higher weight class.

This sport is about who is the best fighter at a specific weight, not what person can drain the most water out of his/her body without getting unconscious.
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I'm not sure adding more weight classes solves the problem entirely. It would make it easier for fighters to move up, but it also makes it easier for fighters to move down.

For example your light middleweight example being at 175 pound. I'd bet there would be a few fighters currently fighting at middleweight that think 175 is makeable for them.

I like the idea of adding more classes but it needs to be backed up with a weight management system, weigh the fighters during camp at random intervals and make them fight at the average weight.

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I'm sure we must have the ability to work out the weight of water in the body or some other form of weighing which takes that into account. The weigh-ins would then have that automatically deducted as if you had cut the weight. Result being the same as now, just with the actual water cutting removed.
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I'm sure we must have the ability to work out the weight of water in the body or some other form of weighing which takes that into account. The weigh-ins would then have that automatically deducted as if you had cut the weight. Result being the same as now, just with the actual water cutting removed.
One way to do it is by having the fighters weigh in before they walk out.

Give them allowance, say 7.5% of their weigh in, but if they go over they must fight in the next weight class for their next fight. So someone fighting at 155 would be allowed to weigh in at 166 on fight night without punishment, more than that and they have to move up a weight class.

An argument against this idea could be that fighters might not properly rehydrate prior to a fight.

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Someone like Khabib should never HAVE to fight at 155 and the UFC should know this, put him at 170 against a guy who is of a similar size.
I believe Khabib is sick which is why he missed the weight.

I also believe the USADA "PED" rules are going to end up killing someone because they can't take the proper medications to treat the problems that come up with weight cutting.

It's also a little silly to blame "match making" when Khabib was fightly WW's who cut down(Healy, Tavares, Tibau, RDA) but now he's at the title range you can't just pull out a big guy(Tony is big though).


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Weight cutting was dumb back when guys were only cutting 10-15 lbs. Now that people are routinely cutting 30-40 lbs it is idiotic and dangerous. There doesn't seem any desire for change from the UFC though. When someone in the UFC dies from it, which is inevitable with the amounts being cut, then we will see change. Until then, probably not.
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Weight cutting was dumb back when guys were only cutting 10-15 lbs. Now that people are routinely cutting 30-40 lbs it is idiotic and dangerous. There doesn't seem any desire for change from the UFC though. When someone in the UFC dies from it, which is inevitable with the amounts being cut, then we will see change. Until then, probably not.
Only if it leads to loss in profits. If it doesn't, we won't see a change.
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It's also a little silly to blame "match making" when Khabib was fightly WW's who cut down(Healy, Tavares, Tibau, RDA) but now he's at the title range you can't just pull out a big guy(Tony is big though).
I already said, this is not a blame game. This is trying to find a solution to a much bigger problem than what happened to Khabib.

The example in the OP shows exactly why Fighters cut weight, they're scared of being at a disadvantage. Sensible matchmaking can neutralise this problem, when these guys get their contracts, make sure they have a weights appropriate for the names on it.
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I've always disagreed with Joe Rogan on this.

This idea people have that its feasible to eliminate free will in combat sports to stop people from cutting weight or finding ways to gain an advantage is fundamentally flawed & unrealistic.

"BAN WEIGHT CUTTING" is the type of orwellian "IM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CANT DO WITH YOUR BODY, EVEN THOUGH ITS NONE OF MY BUSINESS" mindset that led to prohibition and the miserable failure known as the war on drugs.

If you can't stop athletes from taking PED's -- you won't stop them from cutting weight.

Maybe the best approach is to fund research into finding the best and safest ways for athletes to approach weight cutting.

Then disseminate the information as broadly as possible so everyone benefits from it.


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