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Hackman 10-24-2007 08:56 AM

UFC 75 - Bisping VS Hamill
 
Was this fight ever resolved officially to credit the win to Matt "The Hammer" Hamill as was deserved ? I apologise if someone has commented on this before as I did not read / hear any "official" verification on this issue.

I only say this because the final score was 2 rounds to Bisping, 1 round to Hamill. If you actually do the math on the rounds, its quite obvious that Matt won (86 VS 85 points).

I noticed this on the night soon as they announced it, and was curious. Does the win go to the fighter who won the most rounds, or who wins the most judged points (which to my knowledge is how its operated).

Im not bias to Bisping or Hamill in this matter, they are both extremely skilled fighters and i dont want to take any credit away from them. They are both incredibly talented and diserve to be fighting in the UFC.

Thank you for your time on this matter.

Holy9 10-24-2007 09:33 AM

They don't reverse decisions just because the overwhelming majority of people think it was the wrong decision...

Hackman 10-24-2007 10:29 AM

As i stated, its not about loyalty to one fighter over another, im trying to find clarification on how the winner is decided.

Is it via the official point system or who won the most rounds ? If its via point tally, which from what I know the Navada State Boxing Commission declares a winner by points, not who won the most rounds. Unless UFC has broken away from NSBC.

Please correct me where im wrong on this. Im not claiming to be an expert on this matter, but if indeed UFC does go on points for the declared winner, shouldnt this be corrected on the fighters MMA win / lose card ?

If someone can link me the complete rules and regulations information concerning this, id be greatly appreciative.

Thank you for your time.

walkerson 10-24-2007 10:45 AM

They judge on a 10 point must system. Three judges after 3 rounds if the fight lasts all 15 minutes or 5 rounds (title fight) all 25 minutes, will give there opinion on what they saw in the fight. The decision they make at that point is the final call on the fight. They will not reveres the decision when going back and looking at the fight the same as they will not go back and say the (example only) Indians win game 7 because an umpire made a bad call which cost them 1 run which could have won them the game. I hope I explained it in a way you could understand.

Hackman 10-24-2007 10:57 AM

so even tho Hamill won on points, technically won the fight, he lost and UFC wont reverse the decision ?

Was Don King the promoter of this fight card by any chance ?

For the record the scores were:
Round 1: 29 - 28 Bisping
Round 2: 27 - 30 Hamill
Round 3: 29 - 28 Bisping
------------------------
Final : 85 - 86

So whos fault was it for calling Bispings name ? Judges for not being able to count ? or the overwhelming home crowd which is known to riot (English football matches) ?

Think it was to appease the tension of the home audience ? I think it was a good fight and im glad i wasnt a judge. As previously stated, im not for / against either fighter, they are both professional athletes to the standards to which i can only dream.

hommage1985 10-24-2007 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hackman
so even tho Hamill won on points, technically won the fight, he lost and UFC wont reverse the decision ?

Was Don King the promoter of this fight card by any chance ?

For the record the scores were:
Round 1: 29 - 28 Bisping
Round 2: 27 - 30 Hamill
Round 3: 29 - 28 Bisping
------------------------
Final : 85 - 86

So whos fault was it for calling Bispings name ? Judges for not being able to count ? or the overwhelming home crowd which is known to riot (English football matches) ?

Think it was to appease the tension of the home audience ? I think it was a good fight and im glad i wasnt a judge. As previously stated, im not for / against either fighter, they are both professional athletes to the standards to which i can only dream.

LOL at everybody saying Don King. If Don King is corrupt then Zuffa/Dana White have to be corrupt too. Ive seen alot of bad decisions in the UFC.

Holy9 10-24-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hackman
so even tho Hamill won on points, technically won the fight, he lost and UFC wont reverse the decision ?

Was Don King the promoter of this fight card by any chance ?

For the record the scores were:
Round 1: 29 - 28 Bisping
Round 2: 27 - 30 Hamill
Round 3: 29 - 28 Bisping
------------------------
Final : 85 - 86

So whos fault was it for calling Bispings name ? Judges for not being able to count ? or the overwhelming home crowd which is known to riot (English football matches) ?

Think it was to appease the tension of the home audience ? I think it was a good fight and im glad i wasnt a judge. As previously stated, im not for / against either fighter, they are both professional athletes to the standards to which i can only dream.

Two judges had Bisbing winning, and only one had Hamill winning, 2>1, so Bisbing won. The point totals are irrelevant. Thus making it a split decision (all three judges did not agree Bisbing won, only two did).

Holy9 10-24-2007 12:15 PM

"N. Judge's Scorecard Procedures
After each round:
1. each Judge will determine and record a score each round
2. a MMAC official will collect the scorecard after each round
3. the MMAC official will track and add each Judges score by round
4. If the fight goes the time limit, the MMAC official will add each Judge's scorecard and double
check total
5. the fighter with the greater number of points wins the fight on each Judges scorecard
6. the fighter who won on the majority of the Judges Scorecards, wins the fight
7. the MMAC official will hand the decision to the PA announcer

O. Types of Judge's Decisions
1. If all three scorecards agree Unanimous
2. If two of three scorecards agree Split
3. Two scorecards agree and one draw Majority
4. two scorecards agree on draw Draw
5. all scorecards different Draw

IX SCORING SYSTEM

A. The MMAC and UFC have adopted a 10 point must system.
The Judge will use the criteria to determine a winner each round. The three step procedure per
round is as follows:
-determine winner of round (can be draw)
-determine if winner dominated round
-fouls then factored in (subtract one point per foul from fighter)

B. Draws are again acceptable in MMAC events

C. Point Totals
1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10
2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9
3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8
(a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round)
4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round
to a draw. 9-9"
Found this on Sherdog, maybe it will help you understand.:thumbsup:

Mshadows69 10-24-2007 12:22 PM

Gud god are ppl still going on about this... maybe its about time to move on?

Hackman 10-24-2007 06:43 PM

@ Holy9

Thank you for your clarification on this issue. It seems that UFC has broken away from NSAC and use their own set of rules concerning points / winning system. Still seems weird you can win on points, but loose a fight.
Imagine if basketball / (american) football, all you had to do was win the quarter to score a point, win 3 of the 4 quarters, you win the match. Raise your hand if you can think of a match off the top of your head where a team won by total points, but only won one quarter. I can think of 2 where this happened.. But we all still know who the winner will be.

@ Mshadows69

I do apologise if this is an old topic, i was seeking the appropriate rules, not trying to debate "who was better".


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