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Old 11-12-2007, 09:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Im not saying that if he loses to Wand, it'll be the end for him... Im saying that if he loses to Wand, then his following fight... He'll be done. Loseing 4 fights in a row usually gets you kicked out of the UFC. Chuck might be the only ecception. But otherwise... Look at Ken Shamrock.

If he loses to Wand, they need to give him Sinosic. At least that'll get him back in the win columne
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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when people say that it's going to be less of a fight and less hype because of both of wanderlei and chuck's losses, i have to say.. i dont really believe wanderlei's losses should technically count as big blows. His first loss was against crocop who absolutely dominated in pride and his second loss came from dan henderson who is an absolute monster in either division he fights in. But for Chuck, i think he losses show how one dimension he is. He is a good fighter and is a legend but he should learn to throw some kicks in there once and a while or decide to hang em up cuz mma is evolve but it looks like chuck isnt.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm sorry guys, Chuck is waaaaay overrated by his fans.

If he can survive the first two rounds of his encounter with Wanderlei, then I'll change my username from 'Acoustic' to 'The Local Fool'.

Mark my words, Franklin has better odds of beating Anderson Silva than Chuck Liddell has ever had of beating ANY top 5 LHW striker in MMA, much less Wanderlei.

There's a lot of 'fans' that are suckers for good marketing campaigns here. Don't bet your mortgage on a marketing project(Chuck) and then go on for months posting hate-filled rants about Wanderlei when he shatters your illusions - just like some of you have been obsessively doing with Anderson Silva.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm sorry guys, Chuck is waaaaay overrated by his fans.

If he can survive the first two rounds of his encounter with Wanderlei, then I'll change my username from 'Acoustic' to 'The Local Fool'.

Mark my words, Franklin has better odds of beating Anderson Silva than Chuck Liddell has ever had of beating ANY top 5 LHW striker in MMA, much less Wanderlei.

There's a lot of 'fans' that are suckers for good marketing campaigns here. Don't bet your mortgage on a marketing project(Chuck) and then go on for months posting hate-filled rants about Wanderlei when he shatters your illusions - just like some of you have been obsessively doing with Anderson Silva.
Lol im holding you to this and making a note on my desk right now about it actually.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I was about to say the same.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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ok fellas what i mean is, chuck loses this one nobody can deny he appeared more dominant than he really is.
I think it's safe to say the same of Silva. He beat some great fighters in Pride, but also had wins over guys like Oyama, Otsuka, Iwasaki, Kanehara and Minowa. That's one hell of a string of Japanese cans. Throw in a past-prime Tamura, and you've got one seriously padded record.
I'm not dissing Wandy at all. He's proven himself as one of the world's most dangerous 205ers time and again against big-time competition. I just think it's unfair that the people who call Chuck "overrated" and "overhyped" don't admit the same thing about Wandy.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm sorry guys, Chuck is waaaaay overrated by his fans.

If he can survive the first two rounds of his encounter with Wanderlei, then I'll change my username from 'Acoustic' to 'The Local Fool'.

Mark my words, Franklin has better odds of beating Anderson Silva than Chuck Liddell has ever had of beating ANY top 5 LHW striker in MMA, much less Wanderlei.

There's a lot of 'fans' that are suckers for good marketing campaigns here. Don't bet your mortgage on a marketing project(Chuck) and then go on for months posting hate-filled rants about Wanderlei when he shatters your illusions - just like some of you have been obsessively doing with Anderson Silva.
sounds like a sig bet to me? state your condition, if the bet is about chuck making it to rd 3, Mr Local Fool.

Chuck is far less "overrated" than Wandy. Wandy has fought far more cans than chuck anyday. Here's his last 10 fights: losses to Henderson, Mirko, Arona and Hunt. A SPLIT decision win over Arona, and a KO on Rampage, his only close to worthwhile win in the last 10 fights. The others? Yoshida, Kondo, Minowa, a bunch of overrated japanese cans who've gotten raped by anything close to a professional, and an over the hill, competing above his weight class Sakuraba. Very impressive.

Let's compare that to Chuck's last 10 fights: A SPLIT decision loss to Jardine, and 2 unquestionably devastating losses from Rampage. The rest? 2 ass-whoopings on Randy couture, the legend they're mentioning in the same breath as Fedor these days, and one of the best wrestlers in the LHW world. Ditto on Ortiz, the guy who's already beaten your boy, and was arguably the best GnP guy in the LHW world. Jeremy Horn and Renato Sobral, two of the top submission guys in the LHW world. And Vernon White, definitely below par but still not a total can. And if you go one fight before, on the same night as his 10th latest fight, it was Alistair Overeem, among the top 5 Muay Thai strikers in the LHW world. Yeah, he's overrated, and Wandy's not. Like I said, I'll any day take a sig bet with anyone that at the very least that this will go to a decision, that is if chuck doesn't leave Wandy leaking drool on the mat in the first round. "Marketing Project"? The man has proven himself over and over.. but somehow the MMA elitists will always go hug some PRIDE nuts over the crowd favorites, if only to be different. While I admit that Wandy is definitely a tough opponent and it should be a great fight, I don't see how people using the "overrated" argument based on record can pick him over chuck

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Old 11-13-2007, 12:38 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I'm sorry guys, Chuck is waaaaay overrated by his fans.

If he can survive the first two rounds of his encounter with Wanderlei, then I'll change my username from 'Acoustic' to 'The Local Fool'.

Mark my words, Franklin has better odds of beating Anderson Silva than Chuck Liddell has ever had of beating ANY top 5 LHW striker in MMA, much less Wanderlei.

There's a lot of 'fans' that are suckers for good marketing campaigns here. Don't bet your mortgage on a marketing project(Chuck) and then go on for months posting hate-filled rants about Wanderlei when he shatters your illusions - just like some of you have been obsessively doing with Anderson Silva.
I agree. I mean the guy is good, but he isn't as good as people make him out to be. The UFC is evolving really fast and chuck isn't. Plus he's getting pretty old. It's safe to say Chuck will never be champ again.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:41 AM   #19 (permalink)
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If he can survive the first two rounds of his encounter with Wanderlei, then I'll change my username from 'Acoustic' to 'The Local Fool'.
I am taking that if chuck beats him before the rounds are up you still have to change the name, I am soo holding you to this
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