Originally Posted by Liddellianenko
sounds like a sig bet to me? state your condition, if the bet is about chuck making it to rd 3, Mr Local Fool.
Chuck is far less "overrated" than Wandy. Wandy has fought far more cans than chuck anyday. Here's his last 10 fights: losses to Henderson, Mirko, Arona and Hunt. A SPLIT decision win over Arona, and a KO on Rampage, his only close to worthwhile win in the last 10 fights. The others? Yoshida, Kondo, Minowa, a bunch of overrated japanese cans who've gotten raped by anything close to a professional, and an over the hill, competing above his weight class Sakuraba. Very impressive.
Let's compare that to Chuck's last 10 fights: A SPLIT decision loss to Jardine, and 2 unquestionably devastating losses from Rampage. The rest? 2 ass-whoopings on Randy couture, the legend they're mentioning in the same breath as Fedor these days, and one of the best wrestlers in the LHW world. Ditto on Ortiz, the guy who's already beaten your boy, and was arguably the best GnP guy in the LHW world. Jeremy Horn and Renato Sobral, two of the top submission guys in the LHW world. And Vernon White, definitely below par but still not a total can. And if you go one fight before, on the same night as his 10th latest fight, it was Alistair Overeem, among the top 5 Muay Thai strikers in the LHW world. Yeah, he's overrated, and Wandy's not. Like I said, I'll any day take a sig bet with anyone that at the very least that this will go to a decision, that is if chuck doesn't leave Wandy leaking drool on the mat in the first round. "Marketing Project"? The man has proven himself over and over.. but somehow the MMA elitists will always go hug some PRIDE nuts over the crowd favorites, if only to be different. While I admit that Wandy is definitely a tough opponent and it should be a great fight, I don't see how people using the "overrated" argument based on record can pick him over chuck
First off Yoshida is not a can. He's not a great striker but nonetheless he's not a can. He's a stellar Judo practitioner and is always a threat. Secondly Wandy was straight up robbed in that decision loss to Hunt. His first loss to Arona was due to the fact that Arona's superior BJJ seemed to overwhelm him, and Wandy has always had problems with guys who have strong takedowns. His second fight was much better because he had to adapt to Arona'a game. His two losses to CroCop and Henderson were also legit but I do believe a healthier Wandy would have done much better against Hendo.
Alstair Overeem is the only legitimate striker Liddell has beaten. White was a good striker but nowhere near the level of Overeem. All those wins you mentioned for Chuck (with the exception of two), were against wrestlers with average standup. Tito, Horn, Babalu, even Randy at the time were all average strikers. And you could argue that Chuck beat Randy twice because he was able to catch him with a lucky shot. Rampage beat Chuck becasue he's a better boxer, bottom line.
My point: Chuck cant handle a great striker. Wandy is a great striker.