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Old 11-18-2007, 03:02 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Probably the USA... I'm not American and don't particularly like the country as such (foreign policy, obesity, energy consumption - and the load of tools who gave G Dubya two terms in the White House).
Sounds like you buy into some real corny stereotypes to me.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Are we talking single fighters or as a whole? Because if were just going by the number 1 in each division then its Brazil, but if you go through the rest of the middleweight its only 2 from brazil with 5 from America and 3 from other areas. So would America be better overall having 5 in the top 10 despite those 5 being lower then brazils 2?
I'm talking about the overall best, not just in the UFC's standings. I would sooner fight the best American fighter than risk life and limb against the sophisticated, well-rounded and dynamic Brazilian fighters.

Considering the population of Brazil or the number of Brazilian fighters in the US, there's a disproportionate number of elite Brazilian fighters in the UFC today.

Predictably, Quinton Jackson is only holding the title until some real BRAZILIAN master takes it from him.

They have no real competition in the US or elsewhere for that matter - at least not at the moment...only the US' patriotic marketing ( Franklin, Liddell, Hughes etc) says otherwise.

But the truth is, Brazilians are the gods of fighting and MMA.

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Old 11-18-2007, 03:22 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm talking about the overall best, not just in the UFC's standings. I would sooner fight the best American fighter than risk life and limb against the sophisticated, well-rounded and dynamic Brazilian fighters.

Considering the population of Brazil or the number of Brazilian fighters in the US, there's a disproportionate number of elite Brazilian fighters in the UFC today.

Predictably, Quinton Jackson is only holding the title until some real BRAZILIAN master takes it from him.

They have no real competition in the US or elsewhere for that matter - at least not at the moment...only the US' patriotic marketing ( Franklin, Liddell, Hughes etc) says otherwise.

But the truth is, Brazilians are the gods of fighting and MMA.
I was referring to the overall best too not just the UFC. Of the top 10 middleweights only 4 or so are in the UFC.
If your going overall whos the best, its the US because they hold the largest portion of the top 10. The number 1 fighters in the LHW and MW divisions are brazilians imo too but that doesn't mean Brazilians are overall the best fighters.
I never really noticed, until just now when I went through the rankings, how many great fighters are from Russia and that area.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:33 AM   #24 (permalink)
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America obviously produces the most fighter, numerically, but theyre more raw in general as opposed to the lesser, yet more skilled Brazilians.

And really, ever since PRIDE died, its been the US, because UFC is American, and a great majority of their fighters are American. But when PRIDE was around, and there was diversity, it would have been impossible to tell. I might have gone with Brazil though.
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I'm talking about the overall best, not just in the UFC's standings. I would sooner fight the best American fighter than risk life and limb against the sophisticated, well-rounded and dynamic Brazilian fighters.

Considering the population of Brazil or the number of Brazilian fighters in the US, there's a disproportionate number of elite Brazilian fighters in the UFC today.

Predictably, Quinton Jackson is only holding the title until some real BRAZILIAN master takes it from him.

They have no real competition in the US or elsewhere for that matter - at least not at the moment...only the US' patriotic marketing ( Franklin, Liddell, Hughes etc) says otherwise.

But the truth is, Brazilians are the gods of fighting and MMA.
You're assuming Rampage is the same fighter he was when he fought in Pride, he's not (unless you've been sleeping for the last year).

As for "real BRAZILIAN master", Anderson is the only one I can think of right now who looks like keeping his belt and could be considered a “master” in his weight class.

Shogun got his ass kicked by Forest (not what I would consider a top LHW), Big Nog barely beat Heath Hearing (not exactly a top HW) Gonzaga got beat by a senior citizen (just joking) Wandy has yet to make a comeback.

Brazil has a long history of MMA and many of the elite fighters in MMA are from Brazil but you act like they dominate and they don't.

Impressive for a country with a population around 30% less than ours but MMA is just catching on here in the States and in total number of top level fighters the USA wins it easily.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:40 AM   #27 (permalink)
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You're assuming Rampage is the same fighter he was when he fought in Pride, he's not (unless you've been sleeping for the last year).

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Again, I dont see where people get this from. When was Rampage not as good as he is today in PRIDE? How can you even tell hes gotten better?

From what I remember, the guy was #1 contender twice. Killed Arona, beat Ninja, Murilo, Randleman, Chuck, Igor, and more, and in pretty impressive fashion.
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Yeah, Brazil has turned out some awfully good fighters. And with good reason.

Brazil had people mixing Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu, wrestling, and boxing back in like the 30's or 40's. We're talking almost half of a century before it started getting any serious attention here in the USA, and it only got serious attention here because some Brazilians started up something called the "UFC".

Now, the Brazilians who started up the UFC weren't so much MMA dudes, they were pretty anal about just being Jiu-Jitsu dudes. But there were (and are) a lot of other fighters down there who were just as good, and had a wider blend of skills. And because Brazil is a freaking rough place, these weren't rich kids taking martial arts classes a few times a week, they were real bad-A dudes. The stories, including invading rival dojos, street fights, and a whole lot of butt-kicking, are things of legend.

Why does America have so many great fighters? I think it's just because we're rich enough as a society that a lot of folks can afford to spend a considerable amount of time and money on things like fighting. Just an average monthly dojo fee here is more than most of the families in the world *earn* in a month.

Japan's big, because they've been doing martial arts since way back. No history lesson needed. Those guys DIG their fighting, and the appreciate it for the skill of the fighting itself, not just to see somebody get knocked out. One of the Pride events had the world record for highest viewership, over 90% of Japanese households were tuned in for it. I dunno why they aren't more successful than they are, though. You would think that a country like that would completely dominate.

Anyway, very few Americans - even big MMA fans - really know anything about the history of MMA before UFC 1. But that's because most of the pre-UFC MMA history was all in Brazil.
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Sounds like you buy into some real corny stereotypes to me.
Time for a reality check bud. The fattest, most war-mongering bully-boy nation in the world with an ex-cokehead alcoholic retard for a president. If you really believe what you just said maybe you should travel a little... it broadens one's horizons, you know...

Please do not try to get a rise out of me as you're unlikely to be able to back it up.

But you do have the best MMA fighters in the world, so just be happy with that. There's a good lad.
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