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post #11 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-18-2007, 08:08 PM
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Does one bad decision warrant another? Assuming Bisping did deserve to win, shouldn't Rashad have bad karma? I mean, you can't say it works for one fighter but not another.
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yeah, MMA refs give way to much credit to a takedown leading to Lay 'n Pray, than they do landing punches, or for that matter, evading takedowns, or getting back up from them. i believe that in MMA, defense is just as important as offense, and that they need to revise the judging system to better incorporate striking/takedown defense. perhaps, in flurry situations, and in avoidance of subs or G&P!

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Right, there is only one answer. Rashad won round one, but in round 2 mike hit him with over 3 clean strong knees 2 taking all the air out of him an the other landing square on the chin, u not see Evans heavy breathing come on shows that Bisping done alot of damage. As far as take downs go. if the rules on scoring state defending a takedown is the same as doing a takedown mike should of won on stand up fighting, rashard was swinging every where while mike was using clever counter punches while doing alot more damage. so all i can say if the ufc is going to carry on with this stupidly high scoring for takedowns I propably stop watching because its stupid someone wining and not causing any damage.

well mike in my eyes you won, and you are still the best in the weight class
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i will say, in that late 2nd, and 3rd rounds, Bisping was stuffing the hell out of Rashad's takedown attempts, and evading them quite well. for the most part Rashad did what all the other successful wrestlers did, managed to hold Bisping in one place and prevent him from doing anything, meanwhile, he relied on the fact that judging doesn't care about defense and technique. sometimes, i think the judges judge fights as drunken red-necks would; without any knowledge of the sport and what is going on!

and what you said about winning but not doing damage... that is my ultimate MMA pet peeve. i can't stand these fighters that have no ground skill, and very little standing skill, who hold on to their opponent and win through what was perceived by these moron judges to be dominance!

what Anderson Silva did to Franklin, twice... that was dominance! holding a guy down and doing nothing to finish the fight but throw sloppy punches is not...

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i will say, in that late 2nd, and 3rd rounds, Bisping was stuffing the hell out of Rashad's takedown attempts, and evading them quite well. for the most part Rashad did what all the other successful wrestlers did, managed to hold Bisping in one place and prevent him from doing anything, meanwhile, he relied on the fact that judging doesn't care about defense and technique. sometimes, i think the judges judge fights as drunken red-necks would; without any knowledge of the sport and what is going on!
Right you no the saying you just hit the nail on the head, you my friend have just done that. i totally agree with everything you said, is there not any points being scored for countering or defense, come on UFC you need to sort the scoring out big time
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the trouble is that lan n pray counts as control, and thats a big thing judges use to a score a fight.

everyone knows the scoring system is flawed, but it seems like ufc can't be bothered changing it.
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i will say, in that late 2nd, and 3rd rounds, Bisping was stuffing the hell out of Rashad's takedown attempts, and evading them quite well. for the most part Rashad did what all the other successful wrestlers did, managed to hold Bisping in one place and prevent him from doing anything, meanwhile, he relied on the fact that judging doesn't care about defense and technique. sometimes, i think the judges judge fights as drunken red-necks would; without any knowledge of the sport and what is going on!

and what you said about winning but not doing damage... that is my ultimate MMA pet peeve. i can't stand these fighters that have no ground skill, and very little standing skill, who hold on to their opponent and win through what was perceived by these moron judges to be dominance!

what Anderson Silva did to Franklin, twice... that was dominance! holding a guy down and doing nothing to finish the fight but throw sloppy punches is not...
I agree that it was a boring fight and Rashad didn't do much, but what exactly did bisping do to deserve the win?

He did even less than Rashad.
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I agree that it was a boring fight and Rashad didn't do much, but what exactly did bisping do to deserve the win?

He did even less than Rashad.
He was more accurate with his strikes, and threw more of them. He also defended takedowns well in the 2nd and 3rd round, and in the 3rd he got a takedown of his own. I thought he was much more active than Rashad throughout the fight, even when he was losing.
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I agree that it was a boring fight and Rashad didn't do much, but what exactly did bisping do to deserve the win?

He did even less than Rashad.
Bisping threw some strong punches and them knees were sick, all Rashad done was throw sloppy punches and do nothink when he took mike down thats what mike done
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People are probably aware that I am a Bisping "nuthugger" but...... I knew that Evans was going to get that decision unless Mike leathered him all over the ring for 3 rounds.
When Bisping won in the UK against Hamill a lot of people stated that Bisping was given the decision because the crowd swayed the judges decision. Because there were a lot of media sheep booing Bisping the judges were swayed.

As a proud nuthugger I think it was a very close fight, but as the current scoring system is "unbalanced" the fact that Rashad did NO damage on the floor means, probably on balance, I can't moan too much. BUT at the end of the fight, who looked like they had won? who was wobbling and breathing like a paedophile in a schoolyard? Rashad, he was done for, if it had been a title fight, he would have been done for in the last 2 rounds. But I know people will say that he didn't need to go any further and gave everything he had in the allotted time, but he was out on his feet.

I am rambling now, but in conclusion. Current scoring system SUCKS, Bisping should have won but I am completely "unshocked". Oh well time for Mike to step down in weight and show his true class.

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