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post #21 of 31 (permalink) Old 11-18-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by looney liam
the trouble is that lan n pray counts as control, and thats a big thing judges use to a score a fight.

everyone knows the scoring system is flawed, but it seems like ufc can't be bothered changing it.
agreed. but, and i'm not preaching to you or anything, lol... i just think somebody needs to give a class to these judges, about what physical control is, and what fight control is. holding a guy down and peppering him for points is technically controlling him, but if there is no intent of, or danger of finishing the fight in that control, then it is not really fight control. that's why i don't agree with the term "octagon control", because that right there proves that they value holding a guy down, over successfully defending a take down time and time again.

MMA is a sport of attakc and counter attack, and i consider a good defense, part of counter attacking. look at guys like Anderson silva, in that last fight with Franklin, Silva's evasion was almost more impressive as his strikes! if you have that level of control over your surroundings and you can completely humiliate and take all the spirit out of your opponent by simply taking him out of the equation... that's control!

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Personally i thought Bisping won the fight. He definately landed more, landed some very good knees to the body; whilst all Evans did is several times take him down, lay on him for a bit, and then Bisping worked his way up.

I had it 29-28 Bisping, Ecans won the first and Bisping won the last 2 for me.
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that should have gone Bispings way, every time he got taken down he got up, and he was landing more punches on the ground that Rashad, bad decision

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Originally Posted by robb2140
I agree that it was a boring fight and Rashad didn't do much, but what exactly did bisping do to deserve the win?

He did even less than Rashad.
i think the fight sucked all around. i'm just saying that the practice of counting goalless control as a proof of victory isn't very intuitive, or even remotely what MMA is about.

I think Bisbing won, not only on account that when Rashad wasn't holding him bisping was at least throwing strikes, but because of the show of dominance on his part later in the fight to totally take Rashads "control" out of the equation. it showed even more clearly that when rashad did manage to take bisping down, he did nothing with it. he was going for take downs for take downs' sake!

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Bisping threw some strong punches and them knees were sick, all Rashad done was throw sloppy punches and do nothink when he took mike down thats what mike done
Those were not sick knees, Anderson Silva throws sick knees. he didn't throw enough of them either.

Rashad 's punches IMO looked to be stronger and caused more damage. Like I said earlier, i saw the standup to be about even.

Yes Mike did a great job at avoiding the TD, but Rashad still managed to take him down 5 times. I am not a fan of LnP or the current judging criteria, but it is what it is and based on that I saw Rashad to be the winner.

It would be different if mike had dominated the standup after getting up each time or if he was working for subs off his back, but that wasn't the case, the standup was very even. The deciding factor was TD's and in a fight where both fighters didn't do much, that was the deciding factor.
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It looks pretty even. It seems 6 take downs is worth about 50 strikes.
Except that count only has Bisping leading by 23 strikes. Unless you're not counting ANY of Rashad's striking.

Remember it's aggression (which was clearly Rashaad who was advancing most of the time). It's octagon control, which went to Rashaad. Take downs give you aggression (cause the other person is on the defense) and Octagon control because you're opponent is backpeddling and you decide where the fight is.

It's not that takedowns count so heavily, it's that a strategy of takedowns properly executed helps the fighter get the advantage in most of the categories that are considered in scoring. Just like a properly executed striking strategy will do.

I had Rashad winning that fight 29-28, but I also have Bisping winning the Hammil fight 29-28.

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I had it 29-28 Bisping too.

I think Bisping is more of a 5 round fighter. His fitness and conditioning made Rashad look pathetic.

Maybe by some way of a miracle Rashad will become champ, then we ca see a Bisping/Evans rematch, let it go for 5 rounds and then see who wins.

I guarantee it would be Bisping if Saturday nights performance was anything to go by.
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that should have gone Bispings way, every time he got taken down he got up, and he was landing more punches on the ground that Rashad, bad decision
Yeah he got up but he still got taken down in the first place. Bisping had more strikes standing but Rashad had more GnP. Its a split decision but I think it was right with Rashad winning.

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How boring is Rashad Evans?

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It's not a big deal. Bisping needs to fix his training - hopefully the loss will clarify that for him. He looked better when Tito trained him for tuf - now he just looks tired and over trained. Rashad will get whomped by Rampage, or pretty much any of the other lhw's.

And yes I have been slammed - it doesn't hurt on a mat, is the ring harder? Rashad was not slamming like Hughes, he was grabbing a leg and pushing the fighter tell he fell, which isn't nearly the same thing damage wise

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