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post #11 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-18-2007, 11:05 PM
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All of you ripping on him for his ground game, the guy got full mounted in the center of the octagon by a Black belt BJJ. What the **** do you expect? Him to be superman and get up?
I expected him to buck... Or try something beside attempting to push Silva off with his arms alone.

Apparently Houston's 'first line of defense' is his only line of defense. Oh well...

On a sidenote, I was never on his bandwagon, and I don't like him any less now. In fact, I like him more 'cause his claims about grappling skill and his "guillotine" attempt from the wrong side of sidemount, his lack of anything when in full mount... well, what can I say? Such things delivered the lulz in force.

EDIT: but srsly, he's still a beast. not as an MMA fighter, per say, but he hits hard.

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In mma though its generally different compared to other sports since one really bad loss can side line a dudes career. I mean just look at peoples opinions about Rich after getting worked by Silva twice. Plus its not like you can come back a week later after a loss. It can be rough for some fans to sit on a loss like that for 3-4 months til their dude fights again.

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All of you ripping on him for his ground game, the guy got full mounted in the center of the octagon by a Black belt BJJ. What the **** do you expect? Him to be superman and get up. What haven't even seen his ground game, just a full mount by silva.
I will agree this was a dire position for Houston to be in... but there are still ways out.

Had the roles been reversed Im certain Silva would have attempted something.

But Houston seemed stuck... after his attempts to buck failed, he didnt seem to have anything else.

By no means am I saying that he sucks, all Im saying is that hes not very well rounded.

I think this is good experience for Houston, it shows that there is a big hole in his game that he needs to address. Lucky for him he has some popularity, so he can get paid to train
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I expected him to buck... Or try something beside attempting to push Silva off with his arms alone.

Apparently Houston's 'first line of defense' is his only line of defense. Oh well...

On a sidenote, I was never on his bandwagon, and I don't like him any less now. In fact, I like him more 'cause his claims about grappling skill and his "guillotine" attempt from the wrong side of sidemount, his lack of anything when in full mount... well, what can I say? Such things delivered the lulz in force.

EDIT: but srsly, he's still a beast. not as an MMA fighter, per say, but he hits hard.

How many fighters have you seen pull the same guillotine? Houston is just going to get more flamed for this attempt and the full mount because everyone was watching him more carefully. How many fighters have been finished by a full mount and could not get out? It's hard to get out when you're not against the fence to use to push up against. Bucking is not the best way to get out either, can leave you to be very open and just tire you out. You have to do it extremely fast by bucking your opponent so his hands have to land on the mat next to your head, then you try to reverse it and get back on top of him most likely in full gaurd.
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glad im a chuteboxe fan and never thought aleksander was gonna win this fight anyway
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How many fighters have you seen pull the same guillotine? Houston is just going to get more flamed for this attempt and the full mount because everyone was watching him more carefully. How many fighters have been finished by a full mount and could not get out? It's hard to get out when you're not against the fence to use to push up against. Bucking is not the best way to get out either, can leave you to be very open and just tire you out. You have to do it extremely fast by bucking your opponent so his hands have to land on the mat next to your head, then you try to reverse it and get back on top of him most likely in full gaurd.
Well thats just it isnt it... he wasnt successful with his buck attempts...
He could have turned over and given up his back...which would put him in a bad position for a rear naked choke...
but its better than where he was...
What most do is try to transition from rear to front and hope for an opening to get out or exploit... but this is by no means an easy feat... leaving you very open... but nonetheless better to keep moving than sit there and turtle
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i totally see your point, and before this fight ive posted that i`d reserve judgement until i see the guy fight more.

that said, i still want to see ONE more fight, even though he looked bad on the ground in this fight he may have had a bad fight so i`ll still reserve judgment until i see the next fight.

but overall i think the guy is great to watch regardless
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I liked Alexander before this fight and I still like him after.. He got pwnt, it's that simple, but I'm not going to jump off his bandwagon because he lost. I'm still a fan and can't wait to see him fight again, and hopefully win.
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Ill be the first to admit..I thought Houston had that fight in the bag. Im not much of a bandwagon guy. My opion was based soley off the fact that I was at UFC 71. I witnessed first hand Thiago Silva celebrating a win over an injured James Irvin, which made me not like him right off the top. And Then later that night I watched a relatively unknown fighter KO Keith Jardine. Although I did say in another thread where people were saying Houston deserved a title shot if he one this fight. I disagreed due to the fact I dont feel Houston has beat enough contenders to earn that spot, and Thiago hadnt either, so beating him didnt mean much in the way of rank. In other words I wouldnt call myself a nuthugger, but I was confident he was going to pull off the win. The reality is he did beat two tough guys...convincingly.
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Before last night's events, everyone was talking about Houston Alexander like he was the second coming of Fedor. Afterwards, a ton of people made posts about how he got exposed, etc.

People are really quick to get on and off the bandwagon. It's interesting to note that prior to Alexander getting tooled by Silva, I don't recall seeing many members questioning Alexander. Quite the contrary, I saw a lot of "Alexander is a fuking beast!" and "Alexander is going to KO Silva in 30s!" and so on.

The same thing that was happening to Alexander is happening with T. Silva. A lot of people are hyping Silva up because he destroyed the "destroyer." Come on people, have we not learned our lesson yet? Man, I think Silva is a solid prospect for the UFC, but we still need to see a few more fights before we can make an accurate assessment of him. Silva defeating Alexander did not really tell us much about himself, it just told us that Alexander has a weak ground game.

I'm just using this example because it was the most recent one, but there has been so many other cases of people jumping on/off the bandwagon. Another big example would be how people jumped off the Shogun bandwagon and on to the Forrest Griffin bandwagon. Before the fight, a huge proportion of the users on this forum were saying how Griffin won't be able to last 1 round with Shogun.
well duh

but think about it brother the ufc would not be what and where it is today without this idea of jumping ship on whichever fighter is doing well......i for one am still in houston corners

The most solid advice I can give to anyone who fights BJ Penn is...do not motivate the guy. Lets face it, BJ although talented, is naturally lazy. Your job is to NOT convince him to step on that treadmill.
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