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Old 11-19-2007, 12:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
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too many people buy into UFC created hype, fueled by over-eager and none-too-critical internet fans. It's the same reason why Alexander was deemed a god, and nobody seems to respect or ever talk about Kenny Florian. too many people who don't know what they're talking about flap off at the gums!
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:35 AM   #22 (permalink)
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too many people buy into UFC created hype, fueled by over-eager and none-too-critical internet fans. It's the same reason why Alexander was deemed a god, and nobody seems to respect or ever talk about Kenny Florian. too many people who don't know what they're talking about flap off at the gums!
true , lot of fans especially new fans like to hop on that dick quick
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:36 AM   #23 (permalink)
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All of you ripping on him for his ground game, the guy got full mounted in the center of the octagon by a Black belt BJJ. What the **** do you expect? Him to be superman and get up. What haven't even seen his ground game, just a full mount by silva.
Very sensible. The dude on top of him isn't complete crap, he's a black belt. Alexander was way overhyped, but he isn't all of a sudden crap. He's still a beast and he may still have a good ground game. We really don't know.


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true , lot of fans especially new fans like to hop on that dick quick
unfortunately it's just how it goes. new fans are always eager to jump on to the latest "hot prospect", simply because they are new and haven't seen how it all works. guys that are great turn out crappy, guys that are mediocre become champions. and no fight ever ever goes how anyone thinks it will--accept for anderson silva! lol...
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:47 AM   #25 (permalink)
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How many fighters have you seen pull the same guillotine? Houston is just going to get more flamed for this attempt and the full mount because everyone was watching him more carefully. How many fighters have been finished by a full mount and could not get out? It's hard to get out when you're not against the fence to use to push up against. Bucking is not the best way to get out either, can leave you to be very open and just tire you out. You have to do it extremely fast by bucking your opponent so his hands have to land on the mat next to your head, then you try to reverse it and get back on top of him most likely in full gaurd.
I lol @ every fighter who tries to guillotine when his opponent passed his guard -- not just Houston Alexander.

Bucking opens up your opportunities for actual escapes. Also, it can delay striking attempts -- since they have to base out. It is the bare minimum, in terms of what you have to do to gtfo of there. And that's my point... I'd expect someone who has "just as good a ground game as anyone else in the UFC" to try something -- at least the bare minimum.

Plus this was relatively early in the first round. You can't say that Houston didn't have enough energy to buck to create opportunities, or hold off Silva's strikes.

EDIT: I lol @ myself for trying something even dumber than guillotining someone on top of me... I was sooo out of it, I forgot that I had been mounted. I thought I had my opponent in guard, and I got into position for arm-triangle. I tried to choke him out with that... when he had mount. I laugh at that shit all the time, when I see the vid again. And considering that I could've used that trapped arm to pull off an upa and escape, that move was considerably dumber than what H.A. did.

Just to make sure that it doesn't seem like I'm being condescending toward real fighters, and that its all in good fun...
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Karo got it bad too.

Everyone was saying how good he was then he also gets in a fight on TUF and now it seems like Me, Damone and a couple of others are the only Karo fans on this site.
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I lol @ every fighter who tries to guillotine when his opponent passed his guard -- not just Houston Alexander.

Bucking opens up your opportunities for actual escapes. Also, it can delay striking attempts -- since they have to base out. It is the bare minimum, in terms of what you have to do to gtfo of there. And that's my point... I'd expect someone who has "just as good a ground game as anyone else in the UFC" to try something -- at least the bare minimum.

Plus this was relatively early in the first round. You can't say that Houston didn't have enough energy to buck to create opportunities, or hold off Silva's strikes.
I agree. It looked like Houston had no ground game at all, I mean, you're not gonna be tapping a bjj black belt with a guillotine/headlock while you're in side mount. Sorry.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:58 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Karo got it bad too.

Everyone was saying how good he was then he also gets in a fight on TUF and now it seems like Me, Damone and a couple of others are the only Karo fans on this site.
I'm with you guy, man! As my previous sig said, Karo is in my top five favorites. And, actually, I kind of liked this fight. Far from his best, but I think his kick-catches just showed how masterful his Judo is.

Why? Well...

Some people catch the kick right as it hits or when its fully extended, and THEN try to take the person down in whatever way. Karo, on the other hand, catches the kick right as Chonan is shifting weight back onto that side. But then, oh noez!!!, the leg isn't there to support the shifted weight. Instant drop, and from nothing more than grasping a leg for a sec.

If that isn't an EXCELLENT adaptation of Judo's philosophy of 'maximum result from minimum effort," I don't know what is.
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Karo got it bad too.

Everyone was saying how good he was then he also gets in a fight on TUF and now it seems like Me, Damone and a couple of others are the only Karo fans on this site.
Karo could be a serial rapist and eat babies and I would still love him.
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Karo got it bad too.

Everyone was saying how good he was then he also gets in a fight on TUF and now it seems like Me, Damone and a couple of others are the only Karo fans on this site.
Nah, you guys aren't alone. The Karo love just isn't as vocal. Dude did have a boring fight, but he's gonna be a contender for a long time...people will be back on the bandwagon soon enough. Just more room on it for us real fans right now.
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