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Old 11-19-2007, 03:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And whats your point? If other businesses are underpaying their employees thats not right either, but that seems irrelevant.
I think he's pointing out that the entry-level manufacturer makes less than the CEO.

There's an answer to being under-paid during your career, even if it's harder work.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think he's pointing out that the entry-level manufacturer makes less than the CEO.

There's an answer to being under-paid during your career, even if it's harder work.
I'm not saying they should make as much as Liddell.
Just because people are underpaid, that doesn't make it right, thats why groups have unions.
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The thing I dont understand is you state that they are underpaid, when you have NO CLUE what the fighters make. All you know is the fight purse. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY MAKE!
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The thing I dont understand is you state that they are underpaid, when you have NO CLUE what the fighters make. All you know is the fight purse. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY MAKE!
Thats why I said they "seem" underpaid. If the bottom fighters are making 3,000 I doubt they are getting a big enough (or any) cut of the ppv buys to make up for it.
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And whats your point? If other businesses are underpaying their employees thats not right either, but that seems irrelevant.
The point is that if you aren't happy with your pay, negotiate for more or find another job. It makes no difference if you're a fighter or a janitor. Workers leaving a particular business or entire market is like a magic trick when it comes to what employers are willing to pay them. Economists think its basic supply and demand, but I assure you, it's a magic trick.

You know, now that you mention it, I'm severely underpaid myself. Ever think about lobbying for my pay to go up?
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You know, now that you mention it, I'm severely underpaid myself. Ever think about lobbying for my pay to go up?
I'm not lobbying for them to get a raise, I'm just saying on an internet forum, they don't seem to make enough at the bottom.
If you actually are underpaid it's not like i'd go "****, find another job, dont give him a raise!". If you deserve one, then you should get one even if it isn't likely too happen.
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I am fairly sure the "$3,000 a fight guys" are not making any back end off the PPV, but would not be surprised to find out that they are making money from signing bonuses, performance bonuses, and even salary. I mean we have no clue what they make, so it is just makes no sense to say "pay these guys more" when nobody knows what they make!

And anyway, until you are the star that puts butts in the seats and leads to PPV buys, your not going to compare in money. Simple!
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I am fairly sure the "$3,000 a fight guys" are not making any back end off the PPV, but would not be surprised to find out that they are making money from signing bonuses, performance bonuses, and even salary. I mean we have no clue what they make, so it is just makes no sense to say "pay these guys more" when nobody knows what they make!

And anyway, until you are the star that puts butts in the seats and leads to PPV buys, your not going to compare in money. Simple!
And who said they should compare in money?
By the way, the low contract people do regularly get bonuses like submission of the night, fight of the night, etc so they can get some extra from that.
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I'm not lobbying for them to get a raise, I'm just saying on an internet forum, they don't seem to make enough at the bottom.
If you actually are underpaid it's not like i'd go "****, find another job, dont give him a raise!". If you deserve one, then you should get one even if it isn't likely too happen.
I guess what I don't understand (this is why I brought up the fact that wage is determined by the market in every job) is why you think fighters aren't being paid what they're worth.

Even if the only money UFC fighters saw was exactly what was on the released fight purse (no sponsorships, ppv points, bonuses, etc.), what makes you think a given fighter isn't being paid what he's worth to the company?

Doesn't the fact that all of the $3000 level fighters are nameless and interchangeable suggest that they aren't generating much revenue for Zuffa and therefore should be paid an entry level wage?

How much is enough and how much is too much? It just 'seems' like we're having an awfully intangible discussion where the answer is almost 100% relative to the poster's economic sensibilities and has almost nothing to do with what UFC fighter's should actually be making.
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Doesn't the fact that all of the $3000 level fighters are nameless and interchangeable suggest that they aren't generating much revenue for Zuffa and therefore should be paid an entry level wage?
Yeah, this is where I'm mixed.
They aren't bringing in any money for the UFC but they are still filling up the card and despite not being as good as the top guys they generally spend as much time training. It seems like they should make at least enough money to live off, even if its hard too. Like 10k a fight.
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