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Old 11-25-2007, 10:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The one thing I don't like is when people question why other people don't get mad about something. I'm not just pointing you out bbjd, because it's happened a lot lately. Normally people complain about people complaining so much, then you see threads about people complaining because people aren't complaining enough lol, sheesh. Anyways, back on topic, I think it does suck that they waited so long to do something about the LW belt and then turn around and do this with the WW belt only days after the news that Serra is out for awhile. Unless they know he is going to be out till mid-late next year they should have just had a new number one contender match or something. These guys are fighters and should always think they are going to win. If they don't want to risk losing their title shot then they must be afraid they are going to lose. If Hughes thinks he is so great he should have just taken the fight with St. Pierre without a belt on the line. It's not like he really has anything to lose. He is already rich, he is already a future hall of famer and he is going to retire soon anyways. No matter what happens win or lose or if you like him or not, he is still going to go out being considered one of the best ever.
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I dont agree here.

Fedor himself, the greatest(!), was in the same position as Serra is right now, injured(right hand fractured if i remember), and they let Mirko Cro Cop and Nogueira fight as interim Champion, which btw was a great fight.

Nogueira won, and next he fought Fedor for the "real" belt.

I dont see how Serra is getting screwed here.

Consider this : Matt Hughes is probably getting paid enourmous amount for this fight, including all his sponsors. Cancelling his fight from the card won't work out, and Hughes can't possibly accept another fighter than GSP because

1) If he fights a can, nobody will care,thus it won't be a main event.
2) If he fights anybody else than the #1 contender, it's a lose-lose situation for him, since it can't be an interim champion if he wins, and he won't be paid in consequence, not to mention the risk/reward is not great either, as it doesn't advance him towards anything.
3)The UFC needs a hypable opponent for this fight, this next card is probably going to be one of the most sold ppv cards ever in history, with Chuck vs Wanderlei.


Also, Sherk did not have a fight scheduled and cancelled at the last minute(unless i am not remembering correctly, feel free to let me know), so it's not the same situation.

This is a last minute thing where the UFC needs an opponent, and needs a good one. Every1 knows Serra did not get that title shot the "legit" way, and so yes it does have an impact on that decision, since GSP lost to him.
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:06 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Honestly SNS my question really is why are there no threads about it. I'm trying to figure out if im off base here thinking Serra kinda got a raw deal. I just confused if I'm missing something.
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Fair Points Split a couple things though.

Why make an interm Title could it not just be that the winner is #1 contender.

Comparing Pride situations with the UFC doesn't work because Pride made a lot of decision that made no sense so it doesn't really work.

While the fight got canceled is that a fair reason to take some luster away from Serra's title. I mean having two champs takes a lot away from Serra's title.

Also before the Sherk situation it was set that BJ would fight Sherk and it took them 3 months a a number of pushbacks to finally make it a interm title fight.

Lastly did Serra do any less than Hughes or GSP to earn there title shots. I mean they both lost Hughes beat the same guy as Serra, GSP beat Kos by decision. Say what you will about TUF 4 (and I have a lot of bad things to say) He earned his title shot more than GSP and Hughes did thiers.

But I thank u Split for giving me the opposite view.
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Fair Points Split a couple things though.

Why make an interm Title could it not just be that the winner is #1 contender.

Comparing Pride situations with the UFC doesn't work because Pride made a lot of decision that made no sense so it doesn't really work.

While the fight got canceled is that a fair reason to take some luster away from Serra's title. I mean having two champs takes a lot away from Serra's title.

Also before the Sherk situation it was set that BJ would fight Sherk and it took them 3 months a a number of pushbacks to finally make it a interm title fight.

Lastly did Serra do any less than Hughes or GSP to earn there title shots. I mean they both lost Hughes beat the same guy as Serra, GSP beat Kos by decision. Say what you will about TUF 4 (and I have a lot of bad things to say) He earned his title shot more than GSP and Hughes did thiers.

But I thank u Split for giving me the opposite view.
True for Pride and UFC, Pride do make weird decisions sometimes(Zulu vs Fedor.. lol).

But i just wanted to show an example of how an interim champion cannot be as bad, as long as they fight each other next.

Also, i don't think it takes any of the worth of Serra's title, and if it does, it's because there is some questions on how he got it in the first place, which is the case in my opinion(i think yours as well).

Again, look at the Fedor situation. If there was a questionnable champion between Nog and Fedor, it had to be Nogueira!

as for Sherk, i guess your right then, i didnt have the full details on what happened. But again, i think everything comes down to "did he earn that title" in why they wasnt any delay for the title fight, and also Serra's popularity.

I do agree popularity sucks when it's added to who should fight who and who should get a title shot, but unfortunately ratings is the dominant argument when it comes down to the UFC(Pride as well,if not more).

Now to the main problem i think, did he really earn it? I think not. Here's why, and also comparison to GSP, Hughes.

Serra : Who did he beat? Chris Lytle, who's still struggling to find his way into the ppv event, and GSP. Any other wins were on 155 unknowns(except Yves Edwards), or on some fighters nobody remembers(except Shonie Carter and its for the wrong reasons).

Who did he lose to? Karo,Din Thomas, BJ penn. all great fighters, but when you look at the other contenders..

Hughes : His record is too long to list, but he did beat BJ penn in his revenge match. lately he hasn't been impressive, and i personally think his style doesn't work in the UFC today. his standup is too horrible to work against real contenders. But nonetheless, his dominance for the last 5 years should earn him respect and a title shot. For the record, he has also beat Chris Lytle

GSP : Sean Sherk,BJ penn, Matt Hughes, KOS. But unlike both fighters above, he's all fought top fighters(top fighters at the same time of the fight), and has lost only to Hughes.


So in the end, it might be off topic a little, but i dont think Serra deserved a shot, and his title win is worth half of what it would be if he would of worked his way up.
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