BludMoney

I am trying to get the idea out that we should have this voting cover just the ufc fighters in the ufc section. This would help eliminate the conjecture in at least this one area. We would be voting for the fighters that will actually face each other or have faced each other in the ufc. Keep the fantasy overall mma voting, every one loves that but add the ufc specific i can't help but think how cool that would be. I don't know how much more work this would be and I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers with the Admin. If it can be done lets do it anyone back me up on this.

Wise

I think thats a pretty good idea actually. Maybe move the top 10 to the General MMA section then maybe make a seperate UFC one. I think the all around top 10 is better though because it generates alot more discussion then a straight up UFC one would.

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Flak

I really wish you would stop saying that.

Rankings are subjective, and as kds said, not based soley on W, L, NC. How you look etc plays a part. With that in mind, Diaz fought arguably in FOTY when he gogoed Gomi.

Yes, we all know it was ruled a NC because he had THC in his system, but in the real world, Diaz beat the no.1 ranked LW in the world convincingly.

If someone wants to rank him in thier top 10, then although i don't agree (i didnt rank Diaz), it's not out of the question and should be included in the table. If as you say he doesn't belong in the top 10, then the overall results will reflect that and he won't appear because not enough people will agree with toddums. But toddums should still be able to vote for him without it being overruled.

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meFIGHT.com

like the rankings...curious as to how the LW divison will look after the Penn, Sherk showdown

wukkadb

FOTY? Gomi looked terrible. I'm not taking anything away from Diaz or anything but how can you be in a FOTY when one of the fighters underperforms?

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Damone

No way was Gomi vs Diaz FOTY. I'd put 6-7 fights above that, easily.

You have to look at the fact that it was issued a NC, because Nick Diaz got stupid and tested positive. Many will say, "It's just pot, dude," but seriously, Diaz knew the rules, and it's his fault that he got busted. He shouldn't have smoked weed before the biggest fight of his career.

You just can't count a NC, because it's not a win or a loss, it's basically like that fight never even happened.

The only way Diaz would be ranked would be if you really, really, really liked him and wanted to include him. Beating Aina ain't going to cut it, you know?

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Wise

Gomi looked terrible and he smashed Nick's face into mush, almost knocked him out like 2 times. That should tell you something.

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Flak

Dude, I understand what you're saying, i know it was a NC and that offically speaking it can't count. But this poll is basically a court of opinion, and opinion is clearly shaped by more than just how the fight was recorded. To some, Diaz beat Gomi fair and square. No, it wasn't recorded as an offical win, but they did fight, and Diaz did win. Diaz made Gomi tap with a sick gogo. Surely you can see it from the other side? You don't have to agree with it, but i think you should atleast acknowledge it and respect the opinion of a paid member that chooses to give that unoffical win weight.

I don't rank Diaz because it was a NC (i happen to agree with you). But that doesn't mean Toddums shouldn't be allowed to.

"But what if everyone starts with these 'unreasonable' votes?" i can hear you asking. Well, since it's a completely subjective excercise, i think you have to accept what the majority wants. If you start limiting who can get votes based on your own opinion (which is what has happened here no matter how you cut it) then you might as well have "Official Damone Top 10 Rankings".

Just curious. If you had included the Diaz votes - would he have shown up in the top 10?

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kds13

I did include the Diaz votes, and the Huerta votes, and the J-Lau votes, and the Rob Emerson votes, etc etc etc. And none of them got Ranked. All I'm asking for is legitimate Rankings that can actually be backed up. Having Gomi at #1 or #5 can be backed up. Having Rashad Evans in or out of your Rankings can be backed up. Having Rob Emerson in your Rankings CANNOT.

I'm simply asking people to be rational. What I'm most at odds with is one voter who put both Diaz brothers, Joe Lauzon, and Hermes Franca in his LW Top 10 with no sight of JZ, Aoki, Ishida, or Kawajiri. Its hard to rationally defend that.

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Damone

Well, um, Rotten Rob did beat Keita Nakamura, who beat Yoshida, who beat Kikuchi, who beat Jake Shields, who is a top 10 WW.

Nevermind that it was at LW.

But wait, wouldn't Rotten Rob be ranked higher than Nick Diaz, though? I mean, both had NC's, and K-Taro is a better fighter than Aina.

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