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Old 10-02-2006, 03:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Its because it isnt sexy. Plain and simple. Its ugly, and bloody. So what if I see them as objects that have to look pretty? Its what they do to themselves. Women who dont think that its their goal in life to look pretty, should not be encouraged to think that way. America is already ***** whiped. Why give them more incentive?

Like I said before. If they dont have activities in their life to keep them busy, my room is a mess, I am always hungry, so I will be more than glad to have them work for me. At least then I can dress them up in a maids costume or something.
Dude... If your room is a mess, clean it up. If you are hungry, learn how to skin and cook the food you hunted down. Sounds to me like you're a momma's boy, and that as a "macho man" you haven't learned how to do any of that your own damn self.

Regardless... My inebriated rantings aside... Wouldn't it be so much easier to see women who hate each other deal with it simply and make a buck off of it? I'd rather see that, then have to listen to it--wouldn't you?

Shit, if a dude took your best outfit and ruined it you'd kick their ass right? Wouln't you rather have a woman deal with it that way instead of conniving shit out and coming back to it years (maybe decades) later?

I know I would.
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:29 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Dude... If your room is a mess, clean it up. If you are hungry, learn how to skin and cook the food you hunted down. Sounds to me like your a momma's boy, and that as a "macho man" you haven't learned how to do it your damn self.

Regardless... My inebriated rantings aside... Wouldn't it be so much easier to see women who hate each other deal with it simply and make a buck off of it? I'd rather see that, then have to listen to it--wouldn't you?

Shit, if a dude took your best outfit and ruined it you'd kick their ass right? Wouln't you rather have a woman deal with that instead of conniving shit out and coming back to it years (maybe decades) later?

I know I would.
No.

I like the have a difference between men and women. There is a reason we are different.

They shouldnt do what we do, and we shouldnt do what they do.

I dont like guys who do girly shit either.

And as for cleaning my room and learning to cook. Well, I was trying to be funny. The other dude got it, but I guess your 21st century mindset didnt...


Seriously bro, why should we let women fight? Why? What benefit is there of letting two women get bloody and look ugly?

They suck at fighting anyways, its not even good entertainment.
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:40 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Onganju, your more usually more smarter than this. Women are preps, not fighters, fighting is for men, women do other hobbies and interests, whenever they have a period they ***** and there is blood a lot in MMA fights. Women in UFC is a bad idea.
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No.

I like the have a difference between men and women. There is a reason we are different.

They shouldnt do what we do, and we shouldnt do what they do.

I dont like guys who do girly shit either.

And as for cleaning my room and learning to cook. Well, I was trying to be funny. The other dude got it, but I guess your 21st century mindset didnt...


Seriously bro, why should we let women fight? Why? What benefit is there of letting two women get bloody and look ugly?

They suck at fighting anyways, its not even good entertainment.
Okay... The first part of your post, I will completely accept because I see it the same way (suprise... suprise...). And don't tell me that my "21st century mindset" hindered me from seeing anything. Hell, masturbation has been around since the dawn of MAN AND WOMAN and that first night of the silent treatment. I understand we've been dealing with things on our own for a long time now. I know you get the same point.

But I disagree on your very last sentence. On that end, let me post this question to you: Why do people always have to stare at a Train Wreck or Car Accident? It isn't going to be "pretty" or even sanely tasteful at all, yet there is some sort of visceral force drawing our attention to it. Allowing a female fight league can be paralleled in a lot of ways. Many may not want to consciously turn that way, but they will, and it will sell.

Going beyond that, there are actually many, many women who are pretty damn skilled at what they do. I don't know about you, but I don't watch boxing because I wanna bone down on any of the dudes in the ring. Rather (as the saying goes) I wanna see someone get KTFO! If a woman can do that, I'd feel much better paying my PPV dollar for that, than these championship "hugfests" or "lnp" sessions I get on a regular basis now.

Do you see where I'm coming from?
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:56 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Onganju, your more usually more smarter than this. Women are preps, not fighters, fighting is for men, women do other hobbies and interests, whenever they have a period they ***** and there is blood a lot in MMA fights. Women in UFC is a bad idea.
Okay... This is the only time I will ever take this tone with you. Kid... I am still smarter than you can imagine. Regardless... DON'T EVER POST WHILE YOUR F'N DRUNK. That being said, drunk or not, I'm still going to present a point...

I'm just not going to be as nice.

This is the thing with your point from the 2nd sentence on. Women, are part of the human species. And, as animals, natural instinct will dictate that they be able to defend themselves or flee from a situation if their life is on the line (that's your "fight or flight" instinct that is touted in many psychology books). In fact, nature is very much agreeing that the females usually be larger and more capable to defend themselves as most males leave once the conception of offspring is finished. Evolution, or creation (take your pick) didn't dictate it that way with humanity.

Whether that is some sort of sick twisted humor or something else is a completely different subject--but I digress...

On that end, the human physiology doesn't facilitate that function for female humans on a physical level. Bone structure, tissue placement, cellular mass... It isn't in place to make such a role of physical confrontation as easy as it would for males. But it is still possible.

If I transfer that consideration into MMA as a sport (notice I said sport, not a kill or be killed situation), then Women's matches all occur on a level playing field. No sport is competitive if it is between sides that have gross advantages overall over the other, right? So, if it's between women, it should be okay?

Any other view beyond that is simply a product of commercial indoctrination and conditioning.
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Okay... The first part of your post, I will completely accept because I see it the same way (suprise... suprise...). And don't tell me that my "21st century mindset" hindered me from seeing anything. Hell, masturbation has been around since the dawn of MAN AND WOMAN and that first night of the silent treatment. I understand we've been dealing with things on our own for a long time now. I know you get the same point.

But I disagree on your very last sentence. On that end, let me post this question to you: Why do people always have to stare at a Train Wreck or Car Accident? It isn't going to be "pretty" or even sanely tasteful at all, yet there is some sort of visceral force drawing our attention to it. Allowing a female fight league can be paralleled in a lot of ways. Many may not want to consciously turn that way, but they will, and it will sell.

Going beyond that, there are actually many, many women who are pretty damn skilled at what they do. I don't know about you, but I don't watch boxing because I wanna bone down on any of the dudes in the ring. Rather (as the saying goes) I wanna see someone get KTFO! If a woman can do that, I'd feel much better paying my PPV dollar for that, than these championship "hugfests" or "lnp" sessions I get on a regular basis now.

Do you see where I'm coming from?
I do see where your coming from, but I dont understand why.

When I think of women, I think of sexy chicks that I wanna bang, or like family members.

I dont wanna see a sexy chick get KTFO, nor do I wish to see my sister or mother or cousin get KTFO. When it comes to women, I dont like em hurt. I dont think they posess the skills to make fighting as interesting as men do, and I think that the fights would cause more damage to mma than help it as they would get injured quickly. This is because a women, when trained, will cuase more damage to another women, than a man would to another man. They just cant take as many hits. The violence would leave mens mma open for attack after politicians rip the female mma out of the galaxy.

Men are different. I dont wanna bone no guy in mma, but its more acceptable to watch men KTFO of each other because thats just how men are supposed to be in society. Its cool for a macho man to get bloodied as he wins. He is supposed to be strong for others around him. Women dont share this same hero role.

I guess we just have different principals. I see what your saying, and hopefully you see mine.

In the end, we both dont influence it that greatly anyway.
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No I'm not drunk, I just didn't think before posting. But it is proof. Do you ever see women fighting in the school as much as men? No. Fighting is for men, not women. Women have other hobbies, fighting is for men. They can make another women fighting organization, but the UFC, it will destroy UFC business plain and simple. People will think its cheesy and corny.
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No I'm not drunk, I just didn't think before posting. But it is proof. Do you ever see women fighting in the school as much as men? No. Fighting is for men, not women. Women have other hobbies, fighting is for men. They can make another women fighting organization, but the UFC, it will destroy UFC business plain and simple. People will think its cheesy and corny.
I don't want to sound like a ****... But you haven't been around a lot of women! Women fight... Probably more so than men. Just in very different ways. Just because their methods are different, doesn't mean they are any more confrontational than we are (probably more so now than any other time in history).

I have also had the opportunity to meet a few attractive women who happen know how to throw a punch, or throw someone to the ground, or apply a chokehold until the other person passes out. Did it lessen my attraction to them? No not at all...

Now (as a man) am I going to throw them in front of some dude in a club if it's got to be thrown down? Hell no...

I'm just going to hope that if I start getting my ass kicked that they can do something to prevent me from getting killed!

The only reason why people will think it's cheesy and corny, is because nothing involving women and sports has ever been treated seriously here in this side of the world. That is the plain truth about it. You get a woman who beats a man in a major competitive sport (Billy Jean King) and they get an entry into the Encyclopedia. You get a woman in the same sport with a losing record that happens to look good (Anna Kornikova), and all of a sudden you get a new generational icon that graces magazine covers, internet web pages, and TV screens world wide.

You see what I'm getting at now?
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I do see where your coming from, but I dont understand why.

When I think of women, I think of sexy chicks that I wanna bang, or like family members.

I dont wanna see a sexy chick get KTFO, nor do I wish to see my sister or mother or cousin get KTFO. When it comes to women, I dont like em hurt. I dont think they posess the skills to make fighting as interesting as men do, and I think that the fights would cause more damage to mma than help it as they would get injured quickly. This is because a women, when trained, will cuase more damage to another women, than a man would to another man. They just cant take as many hits. The violence would leave mens mma open for attack after politicians rip the female mma out of the galaxy.

Men are different. I dont wanna bone no guy in mma, but its more acceptable to watch men KTFO of each other because thats just how men are supposed to be in society. Its cool for a macho man to get bloodied as he wins. He is supposed to be strong for others around him. Women dont share this same hero role.

I guess we just have different principals. I see what your saying, and hopefully you see mine.

In the end, we both dont influence it that greatly anyway.
Good... Good... It's good to see that interchanges in a forum can actually be coherent.

And yes, I can see exactly what you're saying about society and politicians. On that end, I am just being honest in saying that I don't agree with that. Do I necessarily want it that way... No, read my post above to MMA Freak and it becomes apparent. Granted, I don't like seeing women hurt. But if it is at the hands of a woman, then they won't be hurt to the same level as if it were at the hands of a man. Thus, my emphasis on Woman vs. Woman.

True, taking into account skill levels and other factors, yes injury is a very real factor in this sport. But isn't injury also a factor in cross-country running, la crosse, soccer or any other "non-combat" sport?

BTW-You state, "I do see where your coming from, but I dont understand why..." but if you look at the other posts I put up it becomes obvious that you do understand why...

It's just not something you would like to accept.
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