[RushFan]

Originally Posted by 9ERHIGH

if you look at the belt holders at 170, 185, and even 205
you'll see guys that are completely ripped and shredded

BJ Penn isn't ripped up. Matt Serra is chunky. Anderson Silva is lean. Ex 205 Champ Liddell is famous for his beer belly. To use your logic Jeff Monson is 5ft 9in, should he fight as a lightweight? I think not.
These guys are professional athletes who work hard to achieve optimum physical condition to compliment their MMA skills set. There is no point going into a fight looking ripped but feeling dehydrated and weak or choosing to power lift instead of training striking.
Body builders should stick to body building. Houston Alexander taught us that.

Regarding Huerta, I wanted to make the point that he has phenomenal conditioning and heart. Also, his win streak alone must place him among the top in the division.

[davidm724]

Thank you, very good post RushFan. I can't stand the muscle-bound guys in MMA. One of my favorite things to see is some skinny, lanky, or even chunky dude, whoop on some fool who's ripped out of his mind. i.e. Penn Vs. Sherk

I respect those who's athleticism is apparent in their physique... But if bodybuilding is their sport, they should stick to it, imo.

[9ERHIGH]

Originally Posted by RushFan

BJ Penn isn't ripped up. Matt Serra is chunky. Anderson Silva is lean. Ex 205 Champ Liddell is famous for his beer belly. To use your logic Jeff Monson is 5ft 9in, should he fight as a lightweight? I think not.
These guys are professional athletes who work hard to achieve optimum physical condition to compliment their MMA skills set. There is no point going into a fight looking ripped but feeling dehydrated and weak or choosing to power lift instead of training striking.
Body builders should stick to body building. Houston Alexander taught us that.

Regarding Huerta, I wanted to make the point that he has phenomenal conditioning and heart. Also, his win streak alone must place him among the top in the division.

penn at 155 is MUCH MORE LEAN than karo at 170.
penn is similar in build to karo, and it's ironic you mention penn,
cuz penn too was having trouble with the BIGGER guys at 170 like hughes and GSP,
but when he commits himself to his conditioning and drops the excess bodyfat,
he looks like a champ.
thats EXACTLY what karo should do.

at 170 i was thinking GSP, my bad.
serra's abdominal "bloating" makes me suspect how he got so strong and successful later in his career...

anderson is very lean and BIG for 185 fighter.

its not about bodybuilding true.
this has to do with the basic concept behind having weightclasses.
if a bigger man didnt have an advantage over a smaller man,
there wouldnt be weight classes.
that is why i'm suggesting karo drop the bodyfat so he can fight a guy his size.

what bodyfat you ask?
well, bodyfat collects ALL OVER THE BODY, not just the midsection
here's what i'm talking about.
he can still eat right and commit himself to his cardio to drop this bodyfat.
he doesnt just have to be "dehydrated"

[Richard *UT*]

I would love to see Tyson Griffin get a chance at the title, he has eaned it. Huerta is good and winning but I think he knows he is not ready for a Stephenson or a title shot. I hope Jardine gets messed up. He has no respect for fighters that have earned thier dues. Like when he whined about having to fight Alexander and then got messed up. I loved it. I think Jardine got lucky catching Chuck at a strang time in his career and realy neither fighter earned a win. I think Sherk can knock out Penn But I am with Penn. Tito could still be great but He has had enough and Wants to bang porn stars and "act". It is too bad because I think he won the Evans fight.

[Damone]

Wait, you didn't think Jardine earned a win against Liddell? He tagged Chuck contantly with leg-kicks and body kicks, turned his side into raw hamburger meat and managed to score some really nice punches. Liddell was baffled by Jardine's style, and the Dean definitely deserved that win.

Penn's chin is unreal, by the way. The guy took shots from GSP, freakin' Lyoto and Pulver and didn't even blink.

[Terry77]

I find it odd that Penn is the only guy to have a fraction of success against Lyoto standing.

Forgot Sam Greco.

[9ERHIGH]

Originally Posted by Richard *UT*

I would love to see Tyson Griffin get a chance at the title, he has eaned it. Huerta is good and winning but I think he knows he is not ready for a Stephenson or a title shot. I hope Jardine gets messed up. He has no respect for fighters that have earned thier dues. Like when he whined about having to fight Alexander and then got messed up. I loved it. I think Jardine got lucky catching Chuck at a strang time in his career and realy neither fighter earned a win. I think Sherk can knock out Penn But I am with Penn. Tito could still be great but He has had enough and Wants to bang porn stars and "act". It is too bad because I think he won the Evans fight.

REALLY? i know everyone is entitled to their opinion,
but i find a few of your statements a bit interesting. let's see::

"I would love to see Tyson Griffin get a chance at the title, he has eaned it"
- yeah. could be a good fight, but i dont see him pulling taking the belt from either sherk or penn, personally.


"Huerta is good and winning but I think he knows he is not ready for a Stephenson or a title shot"
- agreed. havent seen that he has true KO power in his standup (i know guida got caught with a knee when he was shooting, n i dont know what to make of halverson's debut...) he also couldnt KO a guy like l.garcia who is a 145lber even tho he landed A LOT of punches to his head. he hasnt shown to be the best wrestler (guida was dominating the scrambles and TDs) and he hasnt shown the best TDD (also see the guida fight.) i also dont see him as being particularly dangerous off his back, SO the question is, if he were to face the top5 of the division, what facet of the fight would he dominate? he has great heart n cardio, but that doesnt make u a champ in todays MMA. all the champs(all weightclasses) have some combo of
1. devastating KO power
2. crazy good BJJ (can sub off back)
3. great wrestling including TDD
i dont think huerta has any of those things YET, but he's young...


"Jardine got lucky catching Chuck at a strang time in his career"
- chuck definitely seems like he is not 100% of his former self.


"Sherk can knock out Penn"
- really curious why u think that. anyone can always get hit with a 'lucky punch' at any time, but:
1. when's the last time sherk knocked someone out? it must have been a while, and now that he aint roidin'...
2. when's the last time penn was KO'd? ever? cant remember it happening. cant even remember him gettin rocked bad due to strikes. seem him gassed n fade but never seen a penn fight when his chin was an issue.
3. i think penn has better hands/boxing skills.

[RushFan]

Is a one year suspension long enough for someone caught doping? I'd assume there could still be residual benefits after only one year.

Also, has Penn stated if he will stay in the lightweight division after a win over Sherk? Penn vs GSP 2 would be gigantic.

Finally, does anyone know if or when Lesnar vs Coleman is happening?
Thanks for any info.

[The Legend]

Originally Posted by RushFan

Is a one year suspension long enough for someone caught doping? I'd assume there could still be residual benefits after only one year.

Also, has Penn stated if he will stay in the lightweight division after a win over Sherk? Penn vs GSP 2 would be gigantic.

Finally, does anyone know if or when Lesnar vs Coleman is happening?
Thanks for any info.

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) August in Minnesota

[Alkhir]

What?! Lesnar against Mark Coleman? Please tell me it's another Coleman you're all talking about.