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post #11 of 53 (permalink) Old 10-03-2006, 12:00 PM
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This proves it in my opinion. BJ would've killed Matt if he hadn't seperated a rib. He dominated Matt so bad, that he had to "Pray to God" - Literally, check out the post fight interview (if you didn't do that already 2 weeks ago). If there's a third fight, Matt's toast

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Sounds like an excuse for losing more than anything else. I like Penn, Hughes and GSP, but only GSP has what it takes to beat Hughes right now. Penn won the first 2 rounds then cardio kicked his ass. I think Hughes will beat GSP in their rematch and if Penn does get a third shot at Hughes, which he should to complete the trilogy, Hughes would beat him again unless he works on cardio. Matt Hughes rules.


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I agree 1000% Kameleon (and yes I did mean one-thousand) BJ and GSP are good, Matt Hughes is great.
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i hate when athletes thank god... its sickening!
I don't know about you guys but that whole "I said a prayer" thing sounded fake! Regardless Matt Hughes is the champion and BJ isn't! As for his fight with GSP, I hope Georges will win but I don't see it happening! Hughes will probably win by TKO strikes in the 2 round!

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I disagree that Hughes was being dominated. It was a very close and even fight between 2 extremely skilled guys. You just happened to see BJ do what other fighters have not been able to on a regular basis, and that is stuff Matt Hughes' takedown attempts or take his back.

Now onto the rib thing. If it happened or not, until we see some sort of medical report is still up in the air. But let's consider that he did suffer from that injury. Sure it would effect his performance in the ring. However, people are taking that into account like Hughes' had absolutely nothing to do with that. Ribs just don't seperate themselves on their own.

Someone doesn't seperate their ribs while they're walking down the street, or doing anything else mundane or routine like reading the newspaper, taking out the trash or squatting on the toilet. It takes some sort of torque or pressure on your core to cause that injury to happen. Has anyone honestly thought for a moment what type of strains doing a split-legged sprawl while having an aggressive and strong world-class fighter trying to put your back to the canvas for an extended period of time will create on your core? Nope... No one has.

Yeah, I'll accept that he was injured. However, I will honestly and fairly consider that the injury just didn't happen by itself.

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Im new here, and really surprised at all the hostility toward Matt Hughes. People saying hes not impressive, ect.... Matts one hell of a fighter. He may not look pretty or flashy doing it, but he gets the job done. Over and over and over and over again. It cant be luck every time. As for being cocky, I dont see it that way. Hes a realist. Tells it like he sees it. I like that. At least you know where you stand when hes done talking. And he backs up what he says, everytime. As for thanking God, good on him. We should all thank God we have a right to have our own opinions on things and our health, not everyone in the world does.

As for BJ Penn, he definitely won the first two rounds. No doubt in anyones mind. The rib injury is debatable. May or may not be true. BJ is a great fighter as well, but hes totally different from Hughes. He admits that the only reason he fights is everything else in life bores him. Kinda got the rich spoiled kid attitude. IMO, thats what got him beat. He had the attitude he had beat Matt before and could do it again. I think he knew if he was going to, it had to be quick. There is no way hes going 5 rounds with Hughes. I dont think anyone can. Matt is just plain and simple ahead of the whole game when it comes to cardio. You could see him gassing toward the end of round two. It happens all the time when someone tries submissions the way he was. That takes alot out of you. If in fact he did have a rib injury, why do you think that is? Either he did it to himself because he wasnt in shape, he did it to himself because of the level of effort he was having to put out to try and put Matt away quickly or Matt did it to him. Any way you slice it, it all comes back to Matt being superior and causing BJ to get hurt. If he got hurt. We will never know for sure.

There is some very tough competition in that weight class. GSP and Sanchez to name a couple. I may get fooled, but I dont think there is any way that Matts going to lose his belt anytime soon. There is absolutely no one that can beat him from TUF4. It would have to be a fluke. Like it or not, hes one tough SOB. He shows it time and time again. As far as being impressive, he impresses the hell out of me each time he beats someone into submission.

One more thing that impresses me about Matt. Just like Chuck, he not only takes all comers, he welcomes them. Including the man that started this whole MMA game, to a degree. Royce Gracie. Granted Gracie is getting old and, IMO, came back for cash only, but he was still a bigger, more experienced fighter than Matt. He not only gladly took the fight, but destroyed him. Thats a true Champion.

Flame away boys, I figger I got it coming. But thats my opinions and Im stickin to them.
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Yea as if God favors one fighter over another
not that... the fact that there has never been one instance of an athlete attributing his loss to god... only his victory. sorry buddy, but if God intervenes in our life to help you win, then he must do so to lose. technically, shouldn't these athletes be thanking god for helping the losers lose? its a ridiculous double standard that nobody seems to mind... obsurd and infantile... like any god would give a bunk over you or anyone else... or if you win the freakin' superbowl... so dumb...

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not that... the fact that there has never been one instance of an athlete attributing his loss to god... only his victory. sorry buddy, but if God intervenes in our life to help you win, then he must do so to lose. technically, shouldn't these athletes be thanking god for helping the losers lose? its a ridiculous double standard that nobody seems to mind... obsurd and infantile... like any god would give a bunk over you or anyone else... or if you win the freakin' superbowl... so dumb...
that is your opinion....and it never seems to change

Why does it bother you if Matt chooses to believe something different than what you do? If he prayed, and God did not let him out of the armbar/triangle....you never know what he would have said so we can not speculate over what would have happened...
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I disagree that Hughes was being dominated. It was a very close and even fight between 2 extremely skilled guys. You just happened to see BJ do what other fighters have not been able to on a regular basis, and that is stuff Matt Hughes' takedown attempts or take his back.

Now onto the rib thing. If it happened or not, until we see some sort of medical report is still up in the air. But let's consider that he did suffer from that injury. Sure it would effect his performance in the ring. However, people are taking that into account like Hughes' had absolutely nothing to do with that. Ribs just don't seperate themselves on their own.

Someone doesn't seperate their ribs while they're walking down the street, or doing anything else mundane or routine like reading the newspaper, taking out the trash or squatting on the toilet. It takes some sort of torque or pressure on your core to cause that injury to happen. Has anyone honestly thought for a moment what type of strains doing a split-legged sprawl while having an aggressive and strong world-class fighter trying to put your back to the canvas for an extended period of time will create on your core? Nope... No one has.

Yeah, I'll accept that he was injured. However, I will honestly and fairly consider that the injury just didn't happen by itself.

Just for the record, BJ said it was when he want to take Matts back, when he came from under Matt, and spun around from the bottom....that to me is the torque and pressure that seperated his ribs....
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My thoughts, well #1 God Bless Matt, his family and Ace for taking his corner. Matt Hughes did get beat in the first two rounds by score but not as much as people may think he also was landing some shots and that is when he ate several of BJs punches, but BJ had no cardio left come the third round. As I recall Matt did land a hard body kick begining the third round and landed a few good body shots in the first and second rounds. The way the fight was going with both of them standing Bj would have either been KO or TKOd in the 3rd. Matt came out in the third round landing punches and BJ could not take it that is why he went to clinch with Matt. that is when Matt got his take down and finished the fight. Bj was plumb worn out and even if he did get injured he chose to keep going and suffered the consequences(Matts gound and pound) to fhis face and head. I Envy Matt Hughes for his fighting and most of all his Faith in God and Jesus Christ. Matt is and always will be the greatest fighter in his weight class and I look forwad to him fighting and winning against GSP.

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Just for the record, BJ said it was when he want to take Matts back, when he came from under Matt, and spun around from the bottom....that to me is the torque and pressure that seperated his ribs....
I can accept that. He also did not decide to take is back until he ate 2 solid elbows while underneath Matt. Matt wasn't completely willing when he did so, which is completely a tribute to BJ's skill. But if it was someone he was truly "dominating," he would have done that without effort, and the injury would not have happened.

In all sports, I've seen only less than 3% of the injuries occur under "freak" circumstances. All the other times they occur under highly competitive scenarios. This is another one of those scenarios.

I agree with what you're saying. I think it is also evidence that the injury (if it is indeed there) did not happen all on its own. That's all.

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