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I thinks it's because Matt's neck is soooooo damn thick. It makes it almost impossible to choke him out. As for the carlos fight, nobody can PROVE that Matt was infact "out" when he slammed Carlos. I really think he was, but there is not one piece of footage with the right angle for us to see. It was Carlos that claimed that Hughes was out. There's no such thing as a double KO

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i think it was pretty clear that hughes WAS out... but hey... i mean what are you gunna do... fighting and calling fights is a tough gig, with lots of room for error. he did kinda fall, and when told he won, he was out of it like he got KO'd or choked out... but... whater...

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Why is there no such thing as a double KO? If two people get knocked out at the same time, wouldn't you call that a double KO? I'm pretty sure Matt was out of it, it was kinda obvious. He didn't really slam Carlos, his legs gave out you can tell he passed out. But it doesn't matter.
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Why is there no such thing as a double KO? If two people get knocked out at the same time, wouldn't you call that a double KO? I'm pretty sure Matt was out of it, it was kinda obvious. He didn't really slam Carlos, his legs gave out you can tell he passed out. But it doesn't matter.
Well technically, that would be a double KO, but I highly doubt the UFC would call it that. If they both got KO'd they'd probably have to go by who knocked who ot first, or they'd probably go to decision, or the first fighter to recover or something like that. Hmmmm, actually....does anyone know the answer to that for sure???? Please post

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Carlos Newton Arm

Anyone notice how Carlos Newton used his arm at first to keep from getting slammed? Not that I wouldn't do it either, who wants to get slammed like that.... But he held on for a few seconds, just think if he wouldn't have done that, how bad he would of been slammed. I think hughes was out too, but who cares, they rematched and Newton got trashed.

I find it amazing that people go on about how religion is always pushed on them, yet here are all these people complaining when someone says something about religion, that doesn't even effect them. Someone mentioned how God would be with both people, and why would he decide someone should lose and someone should win.... well why not? Bj definately had more skill, but perhaps god felt Hughes deserved it for the work he put into training??? I don't buy the whole god let me free, but I'm tired of seeing people ***** about religious comments that don't even effect them.

As sloppy as that match seemed for hughes, which mainly speaks of how good skill wise BJ is, he still won. I don't see people going " if frank mir didn't break silva's arm, silva would of won ".....its an obsolete argument, since the injury was caused due to him fighting hughes.
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Anyone notice how Carlos Newton used his arm at first to keep from getting slammed? Not that I wouldn't do it either, who wants to get slammed like that.... But he held on for a few seconds, just think if he wouldn't have done that, how bad he would of been slammed. I think hughes was out too, but who cares, they rematched and Newton got trashed.

I find it amazing that people go on about how religion is always pushed on them, yet here are all these people complaining when someone says something about religion, that doesn't even effect them. Someone mentioned how God would be with both people, and why would he decide someone should lose and someone should win.... well why not? Bj definately had more skill, but perhaps god felt Hughes deserved it for the work he put into training??? I don't buy the whole god let me free, but I'm tired of seeing people ***** about religious comments that don't even effect them.

As sloppy as that match seemed for hughes, which mainly speaks of how good skill wise BJ is, he still won. I don't see people going " if frank mir didn't break silva's arm, silva would of won ".....its an obsolete argument, since the injury was caused due to him fighting hughes.
I was the one who said that about God being with both fighters. I'm not bit.ching about it, the conversation had already started and I was just puttin my 2 cents in. I don't think go would feel that Hughes "deserved" it. That's not fair to BJ, and god doesn't play favorites, if he did, then why would he let people kill children and babies? Does he feel that the murderers worked hard to get where they were and they deserve to successfully kill someone? No. Matt won all by himself. If there is a god, he/it/she just gave him the ability to fight, not to win. God wouldn't do something like that, because all that would do is make all the christian BJ fans turn on god because he/it/she didn't let BJ win.

And about your Frank Mir/Tim Sylvia arguement, a 'moderator' on this forum will tell you that if Mir didn't have Sylvia in the armbar, the Sylvia would have "KTFOed him". But you're right, if BJ wasn't fighting Matt, then he might not have had to torque his body in that way and cause his ribs to separate (if they did). So yea, Matt INDIRECTLY caused BJ to separate his ribs.
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I am not saying that God favors hughes, I am just saying god COULD have favored hughes, who are you to say he does or doesn't? Who are you to say how god works? I won't for a second say how god does or does not work, and if i do, thats not what I mean. What I am saying is, some people believe some stuff, some believe others, so why do people have to jump on hughes ass for believing what he wants to believe. How is it hurting anyone here if hughes thinks god helped him out? Do you know that matt didn't have help from God, I don't think so, cause I sure as hell don't.....we could argue all day about why god, if you believe there is one, lets babies die but would help out an athlete win a competition, so its pretty useless to talk anymore about that.

As for frankmir/Sylvia(I spelled it right this time) fight, just because a mod says it, isn't true, because they don't know for a fact what would have happened.... and like I said, it doesn't matter, cause thats what happened and he lost. You obviousely have to protect your boy(bj penn), since I have yet to see you give a non biased response out of all your posts regarding penn/hughes, I guess only if matt wins a 3rd match will people come out of their shells and give him the props he deservs.




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I was the one who said that about God being with both fighters. I'm not bit.ching about it, the conversation had already started and I was just puttin my 2 cents in. I don't think go would feel that Hughes "deserved" it. That's not fair to BJ, and god doesn't play favorites, if he did, then why would he let people kill children and babies? Does he feel that the murderers worked hard to get where they were and they deserve to successfully kill someone? No. Matt won all by himself. If there is a god, he/it/she just gave him the ability to fight, not to win. God wouldn't do something like that, because all that would do is make all the christian BJ fans turn on god because he/it/she didn't let BJ win.

And about your Frank Mir/Tim Sylvia arguement, a 'moderator' on this forum will tell you that if Mir didn't have Sylvia in the armbar, the Sylvia would have "KTFOed him". But you're right, if BJ wasn't fighting Matt, then he might not have had to torque his body in that way and cause his ribs to separate (if they did). So yea, Matt INDIRECTLY caused BJ to separate his ribs.
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You guys don't get it. The point is, Matt Hughes wouldn't have prayed to god unless he really thought it was over. Even Matt Hughes thought he was toast!!!!

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I think that Penn's rib fracture definitely should give him a 3rd fight with Hughes. After the TUF winner and GSP. Sanchez may get one after that, but he has a lot of work to do on his game. Kos will probably never get a title shot, and I don't think he deserves one.

The guys who have the best shot at Hughes are Penn and GSP, maybe Din Thomas, Shonie, or Matt Serra, whichever one wins TUF 4, but Hughes is gonna be hard to bet against from here on out.



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I am not saying that God favors hughes, I am just saying god COULD have favored hughes, who are you to say he does or doesn't? Who are you to say how god works? I won't for a second say how god does or does not work, and if i do, thats not what I mean. What I am saying is, some people believe some stuff, some believe others, so why do people have to jump on hughes ass for believing what he wants to believe. How is it hurting anyone here if hughes thinks god helped him out? Do you know that matt didn't have help from God, I don't think so, cause I sure as hell don't.....we could argue all day about why god, if you believe there is one, lets babies die but would help out an athlete win a competition, so its pretty useless to talk anymore about that.

As for frankmir/Sylvia(I spelled it right this time) fight, just because a mod says it, isn't true, because they don't know for a fact what would have happened.... and like I said, it doesn't matter, cause thats what happened and he lost. You obviousely have to protect your boy(bj penn), since I have yet to see you give a non biased response out of all your posts regarding penn/hughes, I guess only if matt wins a 3rd match will people come out of their shells and give him the props he deservs.
I don't make biased opinions about BJ in regards to this fight. Every time I talk about his ribs being injure I make sure to put it in quotes, cuz it still isn't confirmed. I said plenty of times in all my posts that Matt deserved the win, and a win's a win. They only thing I have said that may sound biased, is that it wasn't an impressive win, which most people can agree, and that Matt couldn't beat BJ if BJ was 100%, but that doesn't matter that's just my opinion. If I'm biased towards BJ, then you're biased towards Hughes. I also am aware of the fact that I don't know what god does or doesn't do, but it doesn't make sense to say he made Hughes win or let him win based on his beliefs and training. That's ridiculous, and I don't need to know god in order to say that's probably a false statement. If you're christian, then you should know that god loves everyone equally and doesn't play favorites. Most people are taught that from their early childhood in sunday school. Like your fisrt sentence in your post I'll say the same thing. I never said god didn't favor Hughes, I said he COULD have not favored Hughes.

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