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iceman574 10-09-2006 04:35 PM

Shamrock v tito heavyweight bout
 
hey i was just doing some resurch and it hit me all shamrocks succes in his career as been at heavyweight he was the first ever king of pancreas champion. Was the first hybred fighters he has had some amazing battles at heavyweight he had to come down to 205 to face tito and it killed him tito Refused to face shamrock at heavyweight When asked to move to up he stated no i will only fight at 205 why would he refuse is it cos he feels he could not fight at his best at heavyweight and feels shamrock would be a greater threat maybe shamrock looks so bad latly cos he is a heavyweight compeatin at 205 and facin 1 of the best 205 fighters in the ufc i think it would only be fair that tito move to heavyweight this time if it was in the heavyweght div would the fight b different shamrock has lost all his 205 fights but has been a world class athleate at heavyweight. Tito is a world class athleate at 205 if he moved up to heavyweight would the tables turn

moldy 10-09-2006 04:41 PM

Yeah i posted this on a diffrent thread. Ken isn't a natural 205 fighter. While tito drops weight to make this it's all water. He bounces back easy form it. Ken has to actually lose wieght. It's not where he belongs. Thats why i like guys like wand. He will fight a heavyweight. He entered the open gp. He didn't make hunt drop weight. Tito is a coward.

Steve-d 10-09-2006 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman574
hey i was just doing some resurch and it hit me all shamrocks succes in his career as been at heavyweight he was the first ever king of pancreas champion. Was the first hybred fighters he has had some amazing battles at heavyweight he had to come down to 205 to face tito and it killed him tito Refused to face shamrock at heavyweight When asked to move to up he stated no i will only fight at 205 why would he refuse is it cos he feels he could not fight at his best at heavyweight and feels shamrock would be a greater threat maybe shamrock looks so bad latly cos he is a heavyweight compeatin at 205 and facin 1 of the best 205 fighters in the ufc i think it would only be fair that tito move to heavyweight this time if it was in the heavyweght div would the fight b different shamrock has lost all his 205 fights but has been a world class athleate at heavyweight. Tito is a world class athleate at 205 if he moved up to heavyweight would the tables turn

that a great argument i never thought of that, ken wants tito so bad he dropped down to fight him and anyone who knows mma, i dont mean fans i mean fighters, knows that it will kill you, it definetly takes something away when you dont fight are your natural weight

But i also dont want to make excuses for shammy, then people will jump all over that so its best to let is slide, but people should definetly keep this in mind.

iceman574 10-09-2006 04:51 PM

Thats what i thought tito claims he is better than shamrock but it is clear shamrock is no were near at his best it 205 if he is so good why refuse we all know why he knows dam well that if this was a heavyweght bout he would lose I aint making an ascuse its just shamy has fought tito twice at 205 why not prove without dout he is better an face shamrock were he is at his best

spearsoldier 10-09-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman574
Thats what i thought tito claims he is better than shamrock but it is clear shamrock is no were near at his best it 205 if he is so good why refuse we all know why he knows dam well that if this was a heavyweght bout he would lose I aint making an ascuse its just shamy has fought tito twice at 205 why not prove without dout he is better an face shamrock were he is at his best


Nice sig brotha.






And to answer your question - Because Tito is a coward. I noticed this a long time ago, but no one really noticed because Ken accomadated for Tito's cowardness. Was it a smart move by Ken? No. But that is part of Tito's gameplan. He got under Kens skin too much. Doesnt make him less of a coward though. Cowards are smart usually.

Steve-d 10-09-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman574
Thats what i thought tito claims he is better than shamrock but it is clear shamrock is no were near at his best it 205 if he is so good why refuse we all know why he knows dam well that if this was a heavyweght bout he would lose I aint making an ascuse its just shamy has fought tito twice at 205 why not prove without dout he is better an face shamrock were he is at his best

i agree 100%

jdun11 10-09-2006 05:03 PM

Tito isnt a coward, he just likes playin head games with Ken..He wins the fight b4 it starts because of his games. Tito has never faught at heavyweight so why start now, I dont think Ken is any better at heavyweight, the reason all his big wins were when he was a HW was because that was almost ten years ago and he was a younger and better fighter , it doesnt have ne thing to do with his weight..Look at Randy, he was much more dominant at 205, no one made the excuse when Chuck knocked him out sayin Chuck was a coward for not fighting at Randy's natural weight..You guys just all hate Tito thats why ur sayin this crap :thumbsdown:

Pogo the Clown 10-09-2006 05:08 PM

Tito usually comes in at 204 or 205. He can easily come in at 206 and be HW so that he can face Ken at his best. But like everyone has already said he is a coward just looked how much he ducked Liddell.


Pogo

iceman574 10-09-2006 05:09 PM

Well tito will always b a coward thats why he wouldnt fight chuck when he was champ it annoys me when people bash shamrock and dont give him the respect he desurves without him the sport of mma wouldnt b were it is today Ken introduced it to us and helped make it popular and it gets under my skin when tito fans claim he has passed it and is inferor without taking into account all the facs

Pogo the Clown 10-09-2006 05:13 PM

Ken was truely an innovator. One of the first real well rounded fighters with mixed martial arts. He had it all, good stand up, good submissions, good takedowns and good take down defense. He is a legend and no one can ever take that away from him.


Pogo


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