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04-21-2008, 08:48 PM
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For BJ Penn to win in my opinon:
He's gotta come in expecting to be pushed against the cage, defending the shot, so to in some ways to defend that, he's got to counter it with strikes, work the hands, work the clinch, using angles and combinations catch him on the inside to really make Sherk think twice about going in for the double leg.
Or Alternatley he could decide to use his Ju-Jitsu skills and decide to try and submit Shrek, workin off his back trying for arm bars etc, risky business though against a strong ground n pound fighter like Sherk who's good at passing peoples guard and getting into a more dominant positions and really reigh down with punches and elbows and bust BJ up bad. But to BJ's credit he is good off his back and could be able to control Sherk posturing for the ground n pound. But if the fight goes the distance he could end loosing a decision for being on his back and not being in control of the action. In my opinon for BJ to win he's gotta work the stand-up, defend the take-down and come into the fight in good shape and be ready to go 5 rounds.
For Sean Sherk to win:
For me i personally think Sean Sherks going to come into this fight in better shape than BJ Penn, so i imagine he's gonna be the one to be pushing the action, taking the centre of the octagon, using his boxing skills to set-up the take-down attempts, pushing BJ against the cage working the dirty boxing, using elbows on the inside trying bust BJ up bad. What he's gotta look out for is that BJ Penn is great at defending the take-down, the guy is incredibley flexible, so he's gotta make sure that when he goes into the shot, hes 110% commited on taking him down and keeping him there and be prepared to get caught on the way in so to speak, another big threat is the submission game that BJ could try and use, and i think he'll find it harder to pass BJ's guard than in previous fights, so he might like the idea of using his ground and pound skills from within full-guard, BJ as iv said earlier is good at controling peoples posture so he's gotta find a way of getting around that.
Overall: i think this fight is pretty close to call really, i think either figher could win this based on who can impose their game plan, whos in better shape, whos got the better stand-up. If i had to choose id say Sean Sherk will win i just don't see BJ being in as good shape as him and lasting 5 rounds based on previous performances, Sherk will push the pace no doubt, BJ's got to get a quick submission pull something out of nowhere and catch him off-guard or knock him out basically and i just don't think he'll be able to do that.
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04-21-2008, 09:22 PM
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I have complete faith in BJ Penn. If BJ doesnt win it will still end up being one of the best fights in 08
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04-21-2008, 10:07 PM
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I am not really going to get into this b/c I have said pretty much all I need to already. Sherk is a good fighter and so is BJ, I think they will go balls to the wall in this fight. I think this fight will end with a sub win for BJ in the second round, im not saying Sherk is a pushover but BJ's BJJ is to great no matter where he is.
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04-21-2008, 10:39 PM
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I think that testing positive for steroids would make you a bigger disgrace to the sport.
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No testing positive for steroids doesn't make you a disgrace when it's never proven that the fighter willfully and knowingly took banned substances and/or that the testing was accurate.
Sherk passed multiple polygraphs and also was taking a boatload of supplements. Some supplements have been shown to have been laced with anabolic steroids, possibly to give some users phenomenal results resulting in word of mouth advertising and sales.
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I think Sherks saving factor may be the fact its a 5 round fight. If it were 3 round i see BJ Prenn winning, but Sherks stamina is one of the best, and i see BJ winning the first 2, but after that the difference in stamina taking its toll and Sherk doing a bit of ground and pound for the last 3.
Sherk by decision im afraid.
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Five rounds definitely favors Sherk.
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04-22-2008, 12:33 AM
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I see this going the same way as the Stevenson fight... heavy hands will keep Sherk at bay when they trade.
Bj will setup the takedown with shots... putting Sherk on his back, where Sherk is at his weakest.
Afterwhich BJ will wait for Sherk to make a mistake, by placing a body lock on him that he cant shake off.
Although Sherk might be able to weather the initial storm, I think BJ will put him out of his comfort zone like GSP did... but finish with a submission instead of a TKO.
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I don't want to be immature and certainly mean no personal disrespect but you can't turn Sean Sherk into Jorge Gurgel just because you want BJ to win. Maybe this will happen if you are sitting in the front row with a tranquilizer dart and a blow gun and get a clear shot on Sherk's neck. I can't stand Sean Sherk but c'mon.......
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04-22-2008, 12:48 AM
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I thought Sherk would take this fight when BJ came back to 155 as it was inevitable that they would meet, but Sherk hasn't faught in forever and BJ has looked like a beast. BJ destroyed a guy who had great wrestling, good submissions, and better stand up then Sherk. All Sherk has is the conditioning and unreal wrestling.
First 2 rounds go to Penn, 3rd round is ridiculously close, and Sherk rides out the last 2 from full guard. Yep, sounds like a SD to me.
I really don't think JZ could hang with BJ, but that's just me.
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04-22-2008, 01:41 AM
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I see this fight going 5 rounds. Sherks GnP wasnt great against Franca's solid gaurd. Also, Sherk has decent chin so Penn's stand up advantage may not be enough to end the fight. I see the 3rd and 4th rounds involving a beat up Sherk getting takedowns and top position but with Penn landing more shots from the bottom nonetheless. For Penns sake i hope the UFC can school their judges on scoring fights correctly before UFC 84.
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04-22-2008, 04:17 AM
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I don't want to be immature and certainly mean no personal disrespect but you can't turn Sean Sherk into Jorge Gurgel just because you want BJ to win. Maybe this will happen if you are sitting in the front row with a tranquilizer dart and a blow gun and get a clear shot on Sherk's neck. I can't stand Sean Sherk but c'mon.......
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Im basing this off of Sherks performance against GSP and Franca.
I consider BJ a stronger striker than GSP and Sherk ate a fist full when he tried to trade with GSP...
Sherks patented looping left hook hit nothing but air that night and when he got put on his back, he couldnt do anything.
Do I think BJ could take Sherk down?... yes.
Do I think Sherk could take BJ down?... yes.
But I think BJ is more effective from his back than Sherk is... And I see BJ managing to get to his feet while defending the sub at the same time... I cant say the same for Sherk.
If BJ makes a mistake while on the ground, I dont think he will get it deep trouble... Sherk will not risk attempting a sub... he will try to play conservative 'control' strategy...like he admitted doing with Franca... and hope to grind out a win. With BJ the risk of a reversal is greater than with Franca... so yeah, I think its a safe bet Sherk will play it safe on the ground.
On the other hand if Sherk makes a mistake on the ground, its over... BJ wont hesitate to capitalize on it... even if it might put him at risk should it fail.
Im not simply 'wanting BJ to win'... Im basing it on Sherks last 3 fights and BJs fights...
considering that they both have fought GSP where GSP tooled Sherk and edged a (controversial) victory from BJ.
Im certainly not turning Sherk into Jorge Gurgel... Im using their past performances to rationalize a probable outcome.
Its all the Sherk nuthuggery that assert 'his stand up/striking is better' based on nothing.
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04-22-2008, 05:50 AM
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Im basing this off of Sherks performance against GSP and Franca.
I consider BJ a stronger striker than GSP and Sherk ate a fist full when he tried to trade with GSP...
Sherks patented looping left hook hit nothing but air that night and when he got put on his back, he couldnt do anything.
Do I think BJ could take Sherk down?... yes.
Do I think Sherk could take BJ down?... yes.
But I think BJ is more effective from his back than Sherk is... And I see BJ managing to get to his feet while defending the sub at the same time... I cant say the same for Sherk.
If BJ makes a mistake while on the ground, I dont think he will get it deep trouble... Sherk will not risk attempting a sub... he will try to play conservative 'control' strategy...like he admitted doing with Franca... and hope to grind out a win. With BJ the risk of a reversal is greater than with Franca... so yeah, I think its a safe bet Sherk will play it safe on the ground.
On the other hand if Sherk makes a mistake on the ground, its over... BJ wont hesitate to capitalize on it... even if it might put him at risk should it fail.
Im not simply 'wanting BJ to win'... Im basing it on Sherks last 3 fights and BJs fights...
considering that they both have fought GSP where GSP tooled Sherk and edged a (controversial) victory from BJ.
Im certainly not turning Sherk into Jorge Gurgel... Im using their past performances to rationalize a probable outcome.
Its all the Sherk nuthuggery that assert 'his stand up/striking is better' based on nothing.
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i'm not sure where your getting this idea that people think sherk's striking is better....the thread never said that
and penn doesn't have the reach that gsp had in their fight either.
i think if bj relies on getting a sub from his back it's gonna be a long night for him. jens pulver was escaping submissions from bj and sherk's submission defense and overall grappling and mma experience is higher as well.
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04-22-2008, 08:14 AM
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I dont think there will be a whole lot of difference in the striking. They are fairly even. Sherk is more technical and BJ is a bit more of a brawler. BJ will probably land more and be more effective, he beats almost everyone on the feet and I dont really see how. But Sherk will be constantly mixing in tdd attempts and there should be a fair amount of clinching. Sherk will even up the striking with relentless shots and clinching. I dont think striking will be the deciding factor.
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