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piratedanger · 05-17-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Damone

Coleman was washed up when Fedor faced him in 04. In 06, that match-up was just laughable.

I mentioned Hunt, which was the only solid win Fedor has had since beating Mirko.

Werdum, Barnett, HH & Sylvia are all very good HW's, 3 of them are ranked and you could rank Heath if you want, since he beat Kongo.

Hunt is a good win, Coleman was washed up, Lindland is a MW and Choi's a kickboxer with limited MMA experience.

Also, Werdum isn't that great at all, he lost to AA and his biggest win is AE. He didn't look great at all against GG, GG just looked worse.

He's smaller than Fedor, he's a MW, a HW beating a MW is no big deal.

I am sure when the Lindland fight happened you were giving Lindland a chance, Lindland can make 185, that doesn't mean he is tiny.

So Coleman is washed up and that isn't a good win at all?

Choi would kill most UFC hw's, he is HUGE and a good kickboxer and Judo champion. On size alone you have to respect that win.

**Damone** · 05-17-2008, 09:00 PM

Choi wasn't proven in MMA, he was inexperienced in the sport, sporting a 1-0 record before facing Fedor.

Could he beat some ranked HW's? Maybe, but has he? No.

piratedanger · 05-17-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Damone

Choi wasn't proven in MMA, he was inexperienced in the sport, sporting a 1-0 record before facing Fedor.

Could he beat some ranked HW's? Maybe, but has he? No.

So your logic is wins over guys who aren't proven are meaningless regardless of credentials?

(Example = Mir's win over Lesnar)

**Damone** · 05-17-2008, 09:28 PM

Credentials schmedentials. Choi was not proven in MMA, these are MMA rankings. Therefore, Fedor beating a kickboxer with a 1-0 record isn't that big of a deal.

Also, you can't be serious about Fedor's wins over Coleman, Hunt, Lindland and Choi being better than Nog's wins over Werdum, Barnett, Herring and Sylvia. That's just insane.

piratedanger · 05-17-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Damone

Credentials schmedentials. Choi was not proven in MMA, these are MMA rankings. Therefore, Fedor beating a kickboxer with a 1-0 record isn't that big of a deal.

Also, you can't be serious about Fedor's wins over Coleman, Hunt, Lindland and Choi being better than Nog's wins over Werdum, Barnett, Herring and Sylvia. That's just insane.

You didn't give me a yes or no answer, but I will respond anyway. A K-1 champion and Judo Silver medalist is a bit more than your average kickboxer. He is also 7 feet tall.

He beat Herring twice before that, so that wasn't that big of a win. Also Herring was doing horrible at the time.
Werdum has done nothing either, he beat a fat out of shape GG. I was just pointing out that Werdum isn't amazing.

Lindland was the number 1 MW in the world when Fedor beat him, and at the time everybody was saying Hunt was the future and the man to beat Fedor. Fedor beat him without training because of a broken foot.

Tim Syvlia I suppose is a respectable win even though I dislike Tim Sylvia he was the UFC champion.
Although Fedor is about to do the same thing and much faster without taking such a beating.

I just don't see how you can think Big Nog is better when Fedor has proven he isn't better on more than one occasion.

**Damone** · 05-17-2008, 09:43 PM

Choi was still 1-0 in MMA, and wasn't even ranked in MMA. These are MMA rankings, guys move up by beating other ranked MMA fighters.

Fedor beat Nog 4-5 years ago.

Werdum beat Gonzaga twice, beat Overeem (Who is actually a better HW than he is a LHW), schooled Aleks and schooled Roman Zentsov. To say he's done nothing is unfair to Fabricio, since it's clear he has beaten some solid guys.

You can say that Lindland was the number 1 MW when he faced Fedor, but get this, he faced Fedor at HW! Fedor's a HW! A HW beating a MW shouldn't mean much, as a HW should fight a HW.

piratedanger · 05-17-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Damone

Choi was still 1-0 in MMA, and wasn't even ranked in MMA. These are MMA rankings, guys move up by beating other ranked MMA fighters.

Fedor beat Nog 4-5 years ago.

Werdum beat Gonzaga twice, beat Overeem (Who is actually a better HW than he is a LHW), schooled Aleks and schooled Roman Zentsov. To say he's done nothing is unfair to Fabricio, since it's clear he has beaten some solid guys.

You can say that Lindland was the number 1 MW when he faced Fedor, but get this, he faced Fedor at HW! Fedor's a HW! A HW beating a MW shouldn't mean much, as a HW should fight a HW.

You can't really play the MW - HW game when Fedor weights 230 tops and Lindland weights 215 - 220.

Its pretty fair lol.

Just because Lindland is capable of cutting down to 185 doesn't mean the size difference was that great.