ok ironman i disagree with you first of all BJ PENN has solid allaround skills to say all he can do is submistion is silly did you not see him mess uf st piarres face in the stand up bj has good solid allaround skills come on do you think he would have dominated matt huges if all he could do is submitt do you really belive that i guy can go to brazil and win the brazilian ju-jit-su championship if all he could do was submit DONT BE SILLY
as for chuck liddel he game is so solid he is a mma fighter cos in oder to have such great takedown defence you need wrestin skills and whenever the guy is takin down he has the skills nessesery to get up agein he is impossable to takedown because of the mma skills he has you make it sound like all chuck can do is punch if that was the case tito and randy would have killed him his game is very solid and he does have mma skills if he didnt he would not be were he is YOU CANNOT COMPARE GRACIE TO CHUCK, BJ, AND SYVIA ARE YOU MAD!!!
ufc 101 hit the nail on the head gracie blided by his pride of gracie ju-jit su has never deveolopt eny new skills and has let the sport pass him by AND NOW HE IS LOST
Last edited by iceman574; 06-18-2006 at 07:27 PM.