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Old 10-11-2006, 06:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Silva is nothing special. He was never able to Win the UFC title and had to go to Pride to get it. Chuck had to face guy's like Randy Coutore, Tito Ortiz and Vitor Belfort (both he and Ortiz demolished Silva) in order to win that belt. You think if Silva had to face the likes of Liddell, Coutore, Ortiz or Belfort as his top contenders he would have won the title or have been as long reigning and dominating champion as he is in Pride? Please! Of course non of the Pride fans would ever admit to it.


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The UFC LHW class has been stronger than Pride's up until recently and then most jumped ship. I agree that Liddell has had a MUCH tougher road to the title.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:03 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Um No , That's not gonna happen. Liddel is gonna have it wrapped up by the third round. Tito is more hype than truth, I don't see him keepin' Chuck down long enough to cause enough damage to him. Chuck will get him with a cluster of bombs and it will be stopped.
but you have to agree IF Tito can keep chuck down long enough to wear him into the latter rounds its game over for chuck
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Silva is nothing special. He was never able to Win the UFC title and had to go to Pride to get it. Chuck had to face guy's like Randy Coutore, Tito Ortiz and Vitor Belfort (both he and Ortiz demolished Silva) in order to win that belt. You think if Silva had to face the likes of Liddell, Coutore, Ortiz or Belfort as his top contenders he would have won the title or have been as long reigning and dominating champion as he is in Pride? Please! Of course non of the Pride fans would ever admit to it.
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first off yes he was unable to win in the ufc and then went to pride by once he went to pride he improved A F*CKING SHIT LOAD and dont act like silva hasnt won against any good fighters ricardo arona, guy mezger, dan henderson, quinton jackson(2), sakuraba(2) second him and liddell never fought and tito got a decision over him not the most convincing win and third if any of those *****es aside from coutore (cause hes retired) tried to take his belt in pride THEYD GET KNOCKED THE **** OUT (liddell has a bit of a chance) id admit chuck had a tougher road to become champ but it doesnt make him a better fighter and you saying silva is nothing special just shows u know nothing about pride or are just plain ignorant
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Silva is highly overated on these forums. Sorry if that offends you. If anything he is the major underdog if he were to fight Liddell. yet everyone acts like he will just destroy Liddell. Like I said, Silva had to go to Pride to win the title because he couldn't do it in the UFC. Liddell did so that makes him the better fighter as he was able to beat the top competition that Silva couldn't.


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Silva is highly overated on these forums. Sorry if that offends you. If anything he is the major underdog if he were to fight Liddell. yet everyone acts like he will just destroy Liddell. Like I said, Silva had to go to Pride to win the title because he couldn't do it in the UFC. Liddell did so that makes him the better fighter as he was able to beat the top competition that Silva couldn't.


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Well that arguement could hold some water, if Chuck didn't beat Tito 4 YEARS after Wandy lost to Tito via LAY AND F-ING PRAY! And Chuck also beat Vitor 4 YEARS after Wandy lost to Vitor. Wandy isn't overrated. Everyone stop using who beat who to support your arguement. 4 years is a long as time so you arguement holds no water.
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Rationalize it all you want but the fact remains that Silva had to go to Pride to win a LHW Title. He couldn't do it in the UFC with their level of competition. Liddell, on the other hand, did do it.


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Rationalize it all you want but the fact remains that Silva had to go to Pride to win a LHW Title. He couldn't do it in the UFC with their level of competition. Liddell, on the other hand, did do it.


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Yea but how do you know that Silva wouldn't have done the same thing if he came back 4 years later...4 years is a long time for a fighter to change. All you're saying really is that Chuck was better than Wandy in 2002, but that means nothing nowadays because they have both evolved.
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Silva is highly overated on these forums. Sorry if that offends you. If anything he is the major underdog if he were to fight Liddell. yet everyone acts like he will just destroy Liddell. Like I said, Silva had to go to Pride to win the title because he couldn't do it in the UFC. Liddell did so that makes him the better fighter as he was able to beat the top competition that Silva couldn't.


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lol i aint offended i just really get into things im not excactly a wanderlei nuthugger but some people give him alot less credit than he deserves due to his poor performance early in his career(in the ufc) then again on the flipside there are ALOT of people that think way too highly of him but enough of this bullshit talk none can know for sure until they actually fight but when the do look me up and we'll make some bets and wouldluvtofightyou said most of the valid points i would have said so i dont feel the need to repeat them
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Well that arguement could hold some water, if Chuck didn't beat Tito 4 YEARS after Wandy lost to Tito via LAY AND F-ING PRAY! And Chuck also beat Vitor 4 YEARS after Wandy lost to Vitor. Wandy isn't overrated. Everyone stop using who beat who to support your arguement. 4 years is a long as time so you arguement holds no water.

Agreed. Fighters could adapt and get better over time. Maybe I shouldn't have said 'nothing special' since he is a very good fighter. But I do think he is highly overated by the Pride fans who act like he can walk right through Chuck like he's nothing.


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Wow, this place is full of crazy people. Whoever said Tito has no stand-up was right...lol

On the Wandy note, well both sides have an interesting theory. The facts are laid out for everyone to see plain as day though. Wandy did not HAVE to go to Pride to win a LHW title at all. Wandy went to Pride because there was a lot more money there at the time, period. Wandy would have posed every bit the problem for Randy that Chuck did. He has pretty good takedown defense and he can throw either standing or in the clinch. Wanderlei is dangerous to anyone he fights because he is extremely hard to submit if he is taken down, and he knows how to work his guard to stalemate to get back to standup. Standing, in a one on one fight, I would give Silva a good chance to beat anyone....Iceman included.

I think the biggest difference here though is that Liddell has dangerous power. While Silva can beat on you a bit & drop you, Chuck seems to blast people with one punch & then it just gets ugly. That said, I don't think he could do that to Silva. Hell, Mark Hunt couldn't do that to Silva, and Cro Cop had a rough time trying to hurt him. I love Liddell & deeply respect his ability as a warrior, but he doesn't hit harder than either of those guys. What you would get with those two is a war of attricion (sp?), It would end up being who can keep going without gassing, and who has the better hand speed.

With that in mind I think Silva would pull out a win with an impartial set of judges but, as evidenced by this thread, getting an impartial set of judges in anywhere but Switzerland may be impossible in a HUGE UFC v Pride match like this. Anywho, I think I'm gonna leave this one alone for awhile because there are some obvious sherdog style fanboys in here and I got no time for that mess.

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