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post #61 of 456 (permalink) Old 10-11-2006, 11:55 PM
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Let's see. Randleman & Belfort both suffer from crackhead disease where one night they look like they could beat Fedor, then the next 3 fights they couldn't beat Mahood. Belfort has long been known as the best fighter to never beat anybody.

Babalu is a sub fighter who foolishly tried to trade with Chuck twice. Horn is about a buck sixty soaking wet.

Ortiz is a product of his own hot air & ego. Put him in the ring with any top 10 LHW & he will lose unless he SIGNIFICANTLY outmuscles them (i.e. Horn).

White? Do you mean Vernon "Tiger" White? Come on man, you might as well say he knocked out the old guy from Bum Fights...

Couture is his only win of any real relevance. You point out that Randy beat Belfort shortly before that, and I said Belfort has never beaten anyone worth a damn. The biggest thing about Randy v Chuck is that the nearing 40 Randy was the former HW champ and actually beat Liddell the first time.

I'm not saying it is impossible that Chuck would win, I think he would because neither would stop the other & the judges would be UFC judges, but I don't see Chuck knocking him out or dominating the fight in any way unless he could lay n pray on Silva all night. Funny thing is Ortiz is ideally suited for this fight, yet they still risk Chuck. Well, I hope it actually happens & I will say this, Silva couldn't drop Chuck.
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I'm guessing you missed the part where I said Mark Hunt & Mirko Cro Cop couldn't knock Wanderlei out? That is the only explaination I have for your insistance that Chuck would KO Silva. Or maybe you think Chuck hits harder than Cro Cop or Hunt?

chuck is tough but i would like to see him go against fighters such as "Shogun". Wanderlei or Mirko...

i think it would shatter alot of chucks fans hearts
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chuck is tough but i would like to see him go against fighters such as "Shogun". Wanderlei or Mirko...

i think it would shatter alot of chucks fans hearts

Yeah man, I love Chuck, he is one of my top 5 favorite fighters, but I think if Mirko got a hold of him he would lose pretty bad...of course Silva didn't look great against Cro Cop either. Like I said, it is a pretty even fight with Silva & Liddell. I think what they need to do is make it a no time limit fight to the end like the old UFC did so the judges can't screw it up...lol
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Yeah man, I love Chuck, he is one of my top 5 favorite fighters, but I think if Mirko got a hold of him he would lose pretty bad...of course Silva didn't look great against Cro Cop either. Like I said, it is a pretty even fight with Silva & Liddell. I think what they need to do is make it a no time limit fight to the end like the old UFC did so the judges can't screw it up...lol
haha wow thatd be amazing
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You wanna compare Silvas record in Pride. OK lets do it.

Fujita- Overated slug. Pride verion of Tank Abbott.

Yuki Kondo- UFC reject who left on a losing streak.

Hidenhiko Yoshida- No name scrub

Ikuhisa Minowa- Can (He lost to freakin UFC reject Phil Baroni for Christ sake)

Tatsuya Iwasaki- No name scrub. His first and only fight. These are the fighters they feed to Silva to build him up.

Kazuhiro "The Punk" Nakamura- Can

Shongo Oyuma - Can

Kiyoshi Tamura- Can

Hiromitsu Kanehara- Can

Alexander Ostuka- Can


With the exception of Rampage Jackson, Sakuraba and Ricardo Arona all of his wins consist of nobodies or cans with almost as many loses as wins and some with more loses on their record than wins (yes I checked). Thats some pretty stiff competition right there.

You also ragg on Chucks win over Vitor and Tito but it was Vitor who mauled Silva and Tito who finally senk him packing to Pride if I recall. So what does that say about Silva?


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Tito v Chuck

Confidence? Tito has gained my respect by actually coaching his Ultimate Fighter team. I saw someone actually "teaching" his craft....didn't have to. That being said, Tito just fought 3 fights against a washed up 41 year old fighter. Fact is Shamrock is no longer a competitive fighter and should have retired long ago. Meanwhile, Chuck has taken on top fighters and sent them packing. Tito is smart and will not equate his victories over Ken to the better talent in the UFC. I don't think chuck will be intimidated....respectful yes, but he is not going to go to the ground where Tito is strong. I think Liddell has to be favored....regardless of Tito's confidence. Tito deserves this shot and it is a fight the fans want.

I also thought Shamrock handled himself with class in losing.
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but you have to agree IF Tito can keep chuck down long enough to wear him into the latter rounds its game over for chuck
I understand a few facts: 1. Chuck hits like a mule. 2. Tito will be in top condition. Chuck is heavy favorite rounds one and two, past that Tito has a serious chance as Chuck can get gassed.
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noone is talking about Chucks cardio, i guarantee Chucks takedown defese will weaken the longer the fight goes on , and Tito will only get stronger..thas why i feel Tito will wither win by tko in the fourth or fifth round, or get the decision

I think you might have a point.... If Tito can avoid getting KOed in the first 3
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Chuck is sooo overrated and one dimensional, all he has is his ko power and takedown defence and its funny how ufc have only put wrestlers against chuck. As for people saying that even randy couldnt take chuck down the 2nd and 3rd time well maybe if he wasnt poked in the eye in the second fight and slipped in the third it might of been a different story. So in conclusion i think tito will have good enough wrestling to take chuck down and lay into him with elbows, even if chuck tries to stand back up i think tito will start throwing elbows and punches close in and doing some dirty boxing..ie courture's first fight with chuck.


But if chuck wins which is still the most likley scenario who is left for chuc to fight?
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We can go back and forth on this all night.


"Couture over the hill and inferior?"

He had just won the title for the second time two shows previous from a fighter who demolished Silva in less than a minute (Belfort). He had reached his career peak like a year or two previous. He was still at the top.

"Tito "I quit if I can't take you down" Ortiz?"

And yet Silva couldn't take the title from him. So what does that say about Silva.

See what I mean? We can go back and forth forever.


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jesus christ bring up facts that are recent and would be relevent if they fought NOW how long ago did wanderlei and belfort fight 8 years ago? and did you see the tito wanderlei fight? tito didnt dominate him id say it was fairly close and that was 6 years ago!

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