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Old 10-12-2006, 07:03 AM   #71 (permalink)
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how can u say that chucks cardio will weaken, tito will be the weaker one when hes eaten all those punches and kicks, tito wont win, its nearly impossible, couture couldnt even hold chuck down, theres no way that tito could.tito has no chance, and if he does win, someone like babalu or evans will come and take the belt from him.
your comment about chuck and tito isnt complete bullshit but the evans and babalu one is evans probably couldnt take forrest and is the most boring fighter ive ever seen and babalu .....we all saw that brutal knockout delivered by the iceman but if tito is going to beat the iceman he better be prepared to do it real soon again cause i guarentee the ufc is going make them go at it again right after
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Old 10-12-2006, 07:15 AM   #72 (permalink)
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You wanna compare Silvas record in Pride. OK lets do it.

Fujita- Overated slug. Pride verion of Tank Abbott.

Yuki Kondo- UFC reject who left on a losing streak.

Hidenhiko Yoshida- No name scrub

Ikuhisa Minowa- Can (He lost to freakin UFC reject Phil Baroni for Christ sake)

Tatsuya Iwasaki- No name scrub. His first and only fight. These are the fighters they feed to Silva to build him up.

Kazuhiro "The Punk" Nakamura- Can

Shongo Oyuma - Can

Kiyoshi Tamura- Can

Hiromitsu Kanehara- Can

Alexander Ostuka- Can


With the exception of Rampage Jackson, Sakuraba and Ricardo Arona all of his wins consist of nobodies or cans with almost as many loses as wins and some with more loses on their record than wins (yes I checked). Thats some pretty stiff competition right there.

You also ragg on Chucks win over Vitor and Tito but it was Vitor who mauled Silva and Tito who finally senk him packing to Pride if I recall. So what does that say about Silva?


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dont forget guy mezger and dan henderson
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Old 10-12-2006, 08:48 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Well for one reason, Liddell is one of the hardest men to take down out there. And when you do get him down, all he wants to do is get it stood back up.

I don't think that Tito can even come close to a stand up fight with Chuck and I don't see tito having the ability to take Chuck down and keep him down.
I agree with Joe Rogan here, a confident Tito Ortiz is hard to stop. And Liddell does have pretty good takedown defense, but its not impossible to take him down, Randy took him down very often, Rampage took him down at will, so if Tito trys he should get chuck down. As for the stand-up, people tend to forget about how good Tito was doing against Chuck when they fought, He was standing with him and trading, then Chuck poked Tito in the eye and capitolized on Tito being stunned. Tito trains with some of the best in the world, and nobody trains as hard as him. So don't be so quick to look past him, he can and probably will take the belt back from Chuck.
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:01 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Um No , That's not gonna happen. Liddel is gonna have it wrapped up by the third round. Tito is more hype than truth, I don't see him keepin' Chuck down long enough to cause enough damage to him. Chuck will get him with a cluster of bombs and it will be stopped.
hahahahahaha, more hype than truth? hahahahahaha Apparently you are pretty new to this sport my friend. Tito Ortiz is world class competition.
Really man think about it, Tito has had this hype for almost 10 years now. If he was all hype and no truth, I think we would have realized it somewhere down the line of his 10 year career. And if you think for one second that the later round will belong to Chuck, you are sadly mistaken, Tito is famous for his conditioning, Chuck has to KO him in the 1 or 2 round or its goodbye belt for Liddell. Now don't get me wrong, Liddell is a beast, but he is human and he is beatable, Tito is confident, and injury free, he is dangerous and you are underestimating him on a moronic level. Do us all a favor, if you truly don't know what you are talking about then please just don't say anything.
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Old 10-12-2006, 10:16 AM   #75 (permalink)
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how can u say that chucks cardio will weaken, tito will be the weaker one when hes eaten all those punches and kicks, tito wont win, its nearly impossible, couture couldnt even hold chuck down, theres no way that tito could.tito has no chance, and if he does win, someone like babalu or evans will come and take the belt from him.
Hahaha, Your entire post is a joke! Did you see the first fight between Chuck and Randy because he was able to hold him down. Tito will be the weaker one? Tito is known for his Cardio and since he is 100% healthy he will easily be able to out last Chuck in the later rounds. Did you see the first fight between Chuck and Tito? Tito was holding his own in the first round and in December Tito will make you eat your words because he will come into that fight with a great game plan and make it work. Saying that Tito has no chance is idiotic and shows how much you don’t know….speaking of how much you don’t know. “Evans or Rento will take the belt from Tito” Hahahaha. Ortiz vs Evans will look a lot like Tito vs Ken 3 and Tito vs Rento would end with Tito controlling Rento with his strength and sub defense and Tito will GnP Babalu into the mat.

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Ok Chuck is not going to submit Tito and Tito is not going to knock Chuck out. But Chuck is going to get KTFO.
soooo, what you are saying here is that Tito is not going to knock out chuck.
And in the next line you say, Cuck is going to get Knocked The **** Out.

soooo, who is it then that is going to knock him out? I'm confused

Did you mean that Chuck is going to KO tito?
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soooo, what you are saying here is that Tito is not going to knock out chuck.
And in the next line you say, Cuck is going to get Knocked The **** Out.

soooo, who is it then that is going to knock him out? I'm confused

Did you mean that Chuck is going to KO tito?
Sorry, I did mean that Chuck will knock out Tito. I think that if it gets to the later rounds Chuck is still going to pull off the win even if by decision.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:08 AM   #78 (permalink)
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I realy don't know how good Chucks cardio is

But if he gasses then sadly the belt will go to Tito...

But every punch liddell throws is a potensial knock out, and his takedown defence is supurb, so I think (and hope) that Chuck will win by KO/TKO.


As for liddells ground game: I havn't seen it latly so I don't realy know if it is good or not...


But as I always have said, the next one I belive will win over liddell will be a better striker.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:36 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I agree, if chuck loses to tito its going to be by some wierd fluke mistake, like he slips on some of titos blood or something and tito lands a lucky punch. then of course there would be a rematch and titos going to get owned...again.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:56 PM   #80 (permalink)
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You've got to remember that in the first Tito/Chuck fight, Chuck baited Tito into a standup fight. He basically said that Tito doesn't have the guts to stand in the middle of the ring and trade with him. Tito took the bait, maybe because he thought he's got something to prove, and did just that, stood in the middle of the ring and exchanged with Chuck, with memorable (if not predicatable results).
This time round, Tito can stick to his normal gameplan of g'n'p. Difficult against Chuck, cause he's got a habit of standing up again. But not impossible. Look at the first Randy/Chuck fight. Keeping Chuck on the ground is not impossible, just f*cking difficult. Chuck tends to use the fence to get back up, so Tito should get Chuck on the ground and steer him away from the fence, as opposed to towards it.
I've got a real big feeling that Tito's gonna win this fight. Chucks one of the toughest guys in the world, certainly one of the best 205ers history has yet produced. But i'd say the same thing about Tito. This is gonna be war, and I can't wait!
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