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Old 05-12-2008, 10:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Actually any real fan will tell you that if your fighter gets injured in the the fight and ends up with a loss because of that then tuff shit he was beat by the other man. Hughes won that fight.


Yes, yes it has in some of his past fights and that makes it a valid point to bring up in future fights, its more a mental shortcoming IMO with BJ, He seems like he needs to create the drive to compete by convincing himself to hate someone and to me that makes him look like he could be a lazy person IDK I do know that BJ's skills are good but far from flawless and he can be beat.



WOW your really willing to go out on a limb there aren't you?

I actually am not convinced he'll beat Sherk TBH but lets just say he dose. I still think Hughes beats him and Hughes is the only fighter in that list he has a plausible chance against GSP or Silva would dominate him.


Ill have to go with Lesnar by dismemberment for 1000 Alex!
I made the Hughes comment on the basis that at the end of the first round he was caught in a triangle and an arm bar simultaniously when the horn sounded.

He was in fact saved by the bell.

Just as you've stated, B.J. has had cardio problems. He expands on his conditioning and training in the interview pointing out that he is focusing on that very issue. We are all waiting to see how that works out

We will have to see how good Sherks conditioning is when he is not under the influence of performing enhancing substances. Steroids do increase adrenaline, stregnth, and air flow to the lungs and brain. That is an extreme addition to anyones conditioning.

I did not say that B.J. would defeat A. Silva. You can reference my post again if you so choose to.

As I said, with his focus now, Matt, GSP, and Sherk B.J. is a threat to them.
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Old 05-12-2008, 10:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I made the Hughes comment on the basis that at the end of the first round he was caught in a triangle and an arm bar simultaniously when the horn sounded.

He was in fact saved by the bell.
yeah, no clue because I cant really say how tight that triangle was. I do know if he was that superior he should have been able to win and he didn't.
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Just as you've stated, B.J. has had cardio problems. He expands on his conditioning and training in the interview pointing out that he is focusing on that very issue. We are all waiting to see how that works out
Even with good conditioning he's still not going to out condition Sherk.

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We will have to see how good Sherks conditioning is when he is not under the influence of performing enhancing substances. Steroids do increase adrenaline, stregnth, and air flow to the lungs and brain. That is an extreme addition to anyones conditioning.
Funny you should mention that, Im 100% sure Sherk will walk in that cage no less in condition than his last fight, you can talk all the smack you want but the levels they found in his system amount to jack shit in my mind and I dont see it changing the outcome of this fight one bit.

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I did not say that B.J. would defeat A. Silva. You can reference my post again if you so choose to.
LOL nope that was my point.

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As I said, with his focus now, Matt, GSP, and Sherk B.J. is a threat to them.
And as I said your dead wrong, the only fighter he has a Legitimate chance at beating is Hughes the other guys (including Sherk) I think will beat him and to say he would be competitive with GSP is just as far fetched as saying he would be competitive with A silva, Im sure there are quit a few people that feel its even more far fetched.
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After he beats Sherk, I'd love to see him go on a revenge tour by smoking Hughes and then setting up a showdown with GSP. He also mentions Anderson Silva. That would be amazing!

http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/5...n_323715.shtml
That is a very ambitious notion and is another indication of how overly highly Penn regards himself. BJ is a great fighter, but wouldn't stand a chance with GSP. Hughes? Maybe.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:01 PM   #34 (permalink)
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yeah, no clue because I cant really say how tight that triangle was. I do know if he was that superior he should have been able to win and he didn't.

Even with good conditioning he's still not going to out condition Sherk.


Funny you should mention that, Im 100% sure Sherk will walk in that cage no less in condition than his last fight, you can talk all the smack you want but the levels they found in his system amount to jack shit in my mind and I dont see it changing the outcome of this fight one bit.


LOL nope that was my point.


And as I said your dead wrong, the only fighter he has a Legitimate chance at beating is Hughes the other guys (including Sherk) I think will beat him and to say he would be competitive with GSP is just as far fetched as saying he would be competitive with A silva, Im sure there are quit a few people that feel its even more far fetched.
I for one am not concerned with what amounts to "jack shit in your mind"

The traces of steroids were found. Who cares what the amount was? Are you convinced that he was only taking a little bit?

You claim that Sherk can perform just as well with out steroids? Than why use them?

Since you're "100% sure" than I'm sure every thing will be okay.

I never claimed that he was "that superior" to Hughes. I said Hughes was saved by the bell and that B.J. is a threat.

And why is it so far fetched for him to be competitive with GSP?

Matt Serra was not only competitive with GSP, he took his strap.
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I for one am not concerned with what amounts to "jack shit in your mind"

The traces of steroids were found. Who cares what the amount was? Are you convinced that he was only taking a little bit?

You claim that Sherk can perform just as well with out steroids? Than why use them?

Since you're "100% sure" than I'm sure every thing will be okay.

I never claimed that he was "that superior" to Hughes. I said Hughes was saved by the bell and that B.J. is a threat.

And why is it so far fetched for him to be competitive with GSP?

Matt Serra was not only competitive with GSP, he took his strap.
Fair comments, ppl saying BJ wont stand a chance against GSP, best check their use of english before typing. Plain and simple the dumbest thing ive heard this week, of course he has a chance and a very good one at that.
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If Penn defends against Sherk successfully, the Lightweight division will be too stacked for Penn to keep swapping between divisions. The Lightweight division has Huerta, Florian, Guida, Griffin among others that are all waiting in line for a shot first.
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If Penn defends against Sherk successfully, the Lightweight division will be too stacked for Penn to keep swapping between divisions. The Lightweight division has Huerta, Florian, Guida, Griffin among others that are all waiting in line for a shot first.
Guida I wouldnt say is waiting in line for a title shot, he def needs a few more wins and the loser of Florian/Huerta will be knocked off that list as well. I see what you are saying, the LW class is stacked but does anyone else think that there is a major drop off behind Sherk and Penn? I just cannot see Huerta or Florian being able to stand in there with BJ Penn or Sherk.
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That is a very ambitious notion and is another indication of how overly highly Penn regards himself. BJ is a great fighter, but wouldn't stand a chance with GSP. Hughes? Maybe.
He has already fought GSP to a decision and he won the first round so it is not that much of a stretch to think he could compete with/beat GSP. I dont know if the people who make this argument think that GSP has improved a lot since the last fight or if they just havent seen the first fight.
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I for one am not concerned with what amounts to "jack shit in your mind"The traces of steroids were found. Who cares what the amount was? Are you convinced that he was only taking a little bit?
You claim that Sherk can perform just as well with out steroids? Than why use them?Since you're "100% sure" than I'm sure every thing will be okay.
So why did they amend his suspension? If everyone's so Convinced he took a performance enhancer? I actually believe Sherk, I suggest you look it up on the forms here Jasvll and a few others had a knock down drag out over it and the short answer is the outcome of the test is questionable.

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I never claimed that he was "that superior" to Hughes. I said Hughes was saved by the bell and that B.J. is a threat.
And I said thats correct he is a threat but only to Hughes and he could very well lose to matt again.

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And why is it so far fetched for him to be competitive with GSP?
Easy answer here, GSP in not just a better fighter he's vastly superior in every respect except for the sub game, regardless GSP already beat BJ and has only stepped up his game sense then so really theres no reason for anyone with half a brain to think BJ will be "competitive" in another fight with him.
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Fair comments, ppl saying BJ wont stand a chance against GSP, best check their use of english before typing. Plain and simple the dumbest thing ive heard this week, of course he has a chance and a very good one at that.
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Matt Serra was not only competitive with GSP, he took his strap.
Most people can be KO'd no matter how tough they are so unless GSP gets flash KO'd by someone else he shouldn't get KO'd by, I see no reason to think Penn will get that lucky. Sorry but if a fighter ever got a lucky punch in, it was Serra and no its not dumb at all to assume BJ would be even less competitive now than he was the last time he and GSP met WAIT WAIT....OK checked my "use of English" and I still say anyone who thinks the probability is that BJ would be competitive with GSP at this stage is a complete moron.
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So why did they amend his suspension? If everyone's so Convinced he took a performance enhancer? I actually believe Sherk, I suggest you look it up on the forms here Jasvll and a few others had a knock down drag out over it and the short answer is the outcome of the test is questionable.

Now Im not going to argue that point as just from your post I can see you should get more information about this topic.



"Complete moron" is a streach. You are implying that because B.J. was not victorious in their first confrontation that he has no chance.

If such is the case than GSP should have not stood a chance against Hughes or Serra the second time around. Because he lost to both of those guys.

I understand that you don't want to dispute the steroid topic. Because you can not dispute the fact that he tested positive.

I'm amused to see that in your opinion only GSP can "step up his game".

The bottom line is that GSP is prone to defeat just like any other fighter, he's been subbed and TKOed.

Him and B.J. are both 1-1 against Matt Hughes.

B.J. is 1-0 against Serra
GSP is 1-1 against Serra

B.J. is the champ just like GSP. So for you to convince yourself that today B.J. could not fight at a competitive level against GSP tells me that you're betting with your heart, not your head.

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