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Old 06-17-2006, 12:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Good points.

1. Chucks undisciplined striking will not be so easy to land against a more disciplined opponent with good defense and a better reach.

2. Scherner was a BJJ guy, Vera is a BJJ guy. Scherner is from Brazil, supposively the "better" grappler. Takedowns in that fight should not have been easy for either fighter. But they did occur, and the more disciplined, less experienced Vera was the better.

3. My theme is always discipline. Chuck has the KOs, but he is too undisciplined. He has only been as "great" as he is, in the Octagon. And I am not a believer that the light-heavyweights in the UFC are comparable to the other venues out there. I think Pride gave us a taste of that.

I am judging my opinion on this fight, not on Chuck, as much as I am on Vera. It is his impressive discipline that I like. Where have you seen him show weakness?

Lets see him take this pose against Vera! (lets see if the picture loads!)
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Old 06-17-2006, 02:23 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Good points.

1. Chucks undisciplined striking will not be so easy to land against a more disciplined opponent with good defense and a better reach.

2. Scherner was a BJJ guy, Vera is a BJJ guy. Scherner is from Brazil, supposively the "better" grappler. Takedowns in that fight should not have been easy for either fighter. But they did occur, and the more disciplined, less experienced Vera was the better.

3. My theme is always discipline. Chuck has the KOs, but he is too undisciplined. He has only been as "great" as he is, in the Octagon. And I am not a believer that the light-heavyweights in the UFC are comparable to the other venues out there. I think Pride gave us a taste of that.

I am judging my opinion on this fight, not on Chuck, as much as I am on Vera. It is his impressive discipline that I like. Where have you seen him show weakness?

Lets see him take this pose against Vera! (lets see if the picture loads!)
Firstly, Vera beat scherner standing up, which is proof that Scherner is a bad fighter and that Vera has no takedowns.

Chuck has beaten pride lightheavies, in case you've forgotten. He beat Babalu (3 minutes until KO) and Belfort (with a clear decision). He also beat Randleman. I think it's fair to say that he's beaten more disciplined fighters than Vera.
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Old 06-17-2006, 06:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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ANd he knocked out Overeem(He's not a great fighter but a striker)
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Old 06-18-2006, 02:13 AM   #24 (permalink)
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ANd he knocked out Overeem(He's not a great fighter but a striker)
Yeah, he's KO'd alot of guys. I was on the shortlist, but here's the whole list of the guys Chuck iced:
Paul Jones
Randleman
Mezger
Babalu
Overeem
Tito
Vernon White
Couture
Horn
Couture

Here's Vera's list:
Andre Mussi
Scherner
Justin Eilers

That's not even a close call.
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Old 06-18-2006, 03:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Renato Sobral is the one versing Chuck and he will not win. Everyone thinks he will just like everyone thought Quarry would beat Franklin
Really? Damn, and here I thought that I had bet on Franklin.

Yet another person who goes around making generalized f***ing statements that are absolute bulls**t.
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Old 06-19-2006, 01:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Really? Damn, and here I thought that I had bet on Franklin.

Yet another person who goes around making generalized f***ing statements that are absolute bulls**t.

If you don;t agree with other peoples posts try ignoring them,life is too short to get pissed over something like this. BTW, right or wrong ,everyone else is entitled to their opinion.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:57 AM   #27 (permalink)
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If you don;t agree with other peoples posts try ignoring them,life is too short to get pissed over something like this. BTW, right or wrong ,everyone else is entitled to their opinion.
Who said I was pissed about it? and when did I say that someone is not entitled to their opinion? There is a big difference between stating an opinion and stating a "fact" that is not a true.

I think Liddell would lose to Rampage again. <--That is an opinion

Everyone said that Quarry would beat Franklin. <--That is a untrue attempt at a fact.

See the difference?

It is not about arguing with someone, it is about not standing by when someone makes a false statement and watching them stay ignorant. If you made a post about something that was not correct, would you want people to ignore you and allow you to stay ignorant? or would you rather they correct you and help expand your knowladge?
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I hope remaining ignorant for the rest of your life works out for you.

BTW, Dan Severn the greatest fighter? LMAO Kids...
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:55 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Who said I was pissed about it? and when did I say that someone is not entitled to their opinion? There is a big difference between stating an opinion and stating a "fact" that is not a true.

I think Liddell would lose to Rampage again. <--That is an opinion

Everyone said that Quarry would beat Franklin. <--That is a untrue attempt at a fact.

See the difference?

It is not about arguing with someone, it is about not standing by when someone makes a false statement and watching them stay ignorant. If you made a post about something that was not correct, would you want people to ignore you and allow you to stay ignorant? or would you rather they correct you and help expand your knowladge?

If I misread the intention of your post then I owe you an apology. If you can demonstrate that someone has made a demonstrably false statement then by all means reply to their post as you see fit. Remember, as soon as words like ignorant and BS are thrown around an impression will be left and people will not necessarily look at the content of your post. I'm not sure I agree that Chuck would lose to Rampage but I would be excited to see that fight, it could certainly go either way. IMO chuck has improved alot since that fight and he looks at it as a "low point" in his fighting career. BTW, I knew Quarry would get knocked out early as soon as that fight was made. Franklin is way too good on his feet for him. If I say something not true I would hope you would set me straight on the matter.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:08 PM   #30 (permalink)
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everyone must remember there is a difference between truth, preceived truth, a falsehood and fact. examples

Truth, If you jump up you will come down.
preceived truth. Humans are the most intelligent creatures on the planet. WE assume this becasue as far as we can tell by science we are. but we do not have an exact way of measuring the intelligence of other creatures compared to our own.
False I can jump from here to the moon.
Fact, usually this is the same as truth except a fact has examples and usually cannot be altered in any way. for instance the jumping up and then must come down is a fact but if there is something I can grab onto i will not come down which is why that is a truth. so fact would be. a pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of lead that is a fact.

so please no more belly aching.. I am old and tired..
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