[Suvaco]

You're getting it backwards. He didn't get the title shot because he was a coach. He got the title because he beat Shogun. He was on the show because he was fighting for the title.

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One Thing Though, Forrest Face Was Amess After The Fight.... New Lhw Champ...

The Future For Forrest????? Anderson Silva Maybe????

[taadland]

Originally Posted by Wawaweewa

You're getting it backwards. He didn't get the title shot because he was a coach. He got the title because he beat Shogun. He was on the show because he was fighting for the title.

oh is that how it was...i was certain it was because of his popularity. (gained through the first show)not his outstanding fights. (1 win vs overrated and out of shape rua, and other than that he had never beat anybody in the top 20...that doesn't= title shot!!!) that shogun forrest fight wasn't contention for the LHW title shot. that fight was suppose to be a stepping stone for mauricio to get chuck plain and simple. that fight had nothing to do with why forrest got a title shot. rampage would have fought once more before sat. if he didn't have to wait for the show to end, and i gaurantee you it wouldn't have been forrest. dude you better learn your game before you make brash statements of idiocracy. do you know anything? beating shogun rua did not make forrest the #1 contender bro. you never get a title shot based off one fight. and look at forrest's last four...dude learn your shit

[taadland]

oh sorry waawwweeweeee....i see you were born in 1990 so you would have been six when i started watching mma... so it makes sense to me why you don't know anything about the sport, and why you make statements like shogun was the #1 LHW in the world when forrest and him faught him that's why he got the title shot. first of all page was #1, and if you were one of the people considering shogun to the best in the lhw division, at the time forrest beat him, can you tell me why? was it cause the shogun had highlight knockouts under pride rules? Or was cause of his 16 wins you probably know of 2 that he beat? Or was cause he had 1 win in 2007? Or was it that in 2006 his best win out of his 3-1 record that year was against an over the hill randleman, and his loss was against an over the hill coleman? i don't know where you get your rankings from but any legit fan knows that rankings go alot farther than potential, and talent.

[Suizida]

Originally Posted by taadland

the show i'm talking about just ended idiot. you know that queer ass show where the coaches fight at the end of the season. you know the show that brings fans that don't know shit into these forums. you know that show that has dana white claiming the most significant fight in ufc history came from it. when in reality it was the most significant fight to zuffa and dana and spike tv. not the UFC. if bonnar and forrest had the most significant fight in UFC history, that would be like saying royce gracie, ken shamrock, dan severn, tank abbott, frank shamrock, tito ortiz, don frye, guy metzger, bj penn, matt hughes, frank trigg, georges st pierre, chuck liddell, rich franklin, pedro rizzo, maurice smith, never faught in the ufc. and to say shogun was the number 1 contender at the time forrest beat him was also not true. he hadn't won a fight in the ufc. he may have got a title shot if he beat forrest true..but the ufc had hopes of having him fight chuck, and then a title shot for the winner of that fight. (since they wanted to unify the lhw belts between dan and page) but shogun turned out to be out of shape and overhyped. the pride rules made him look elite. it's a little different when you get to the cage. and chuck also lost that night to keith. (who destroyed forrest mind you)_ and also nobody that i know of besides page and anderson got title shots after one fight. anderson did because...well he's that good. (still didn't deserve it at the time) and rampage did because he was the last one to beat chuck, and the ufc signed him for that purpose...to fight chuck. name one person that forrest beat to earn a title shot besides shogun...and please don't say elvis, bonnar, or hector ramirez. man i like forrest griffin, and he no doubt has the title right now and he did WIN THE TITLE, but he got there on a silver platter from the show. (i hate the show and my opinion won't sway) season one (which was years ago, and he really hasn't had many very good fights since then, he wasn't even that dominant on sat. night, good enough to win but were you really that impressed?) and team rampage vs team forrest. and i'm not saying he doesn't have enough talent to fight the elite because in his last 2 fights he's knocked off two of the top 5 lhw in the world. i'm just saying he wasn't the #1 contender and if he wasn't the coach he wouldn't have faught rampage at this stage in the game. that's a no brainer if you know anything. we'll see how he holds up. i don't think for long when he's going to be fighting page, shogun, chuck, wanderlei, thiago silva, possibly anderson silva in his upcoming fights.

You gotta be kidding me. Forrest had the hardest run to coming the champion compared to the current and previous champions and weather you like it or not, Shogun was considered the no.1 fighter at the time and he did beat him, regardless of which shogun came up, then he beat rampage no.1 at the time. Taking down 2 no.1 fighters deserves to be the champion. but look at it this way

How did Rampage get his title shot: He beat Marvin Eastman whose 1-4 in the UFC and he gets a shot

Anderson Silva beats Chris Leben, not a number 1 contender but he gets the shot

Bj penn didn't have to fight ANYONE for his shot against Joe Daddy

Frank Mir fights Antoni Hardonk and Brock Lesnar and he's getting a shot after TUF 8


see where im going

You can argue that a lot of the people didn't deserve there shots, but i reckon if you win then the path to getting there becomes obsolete since the person won

[Hett]

Originally Posted by taadland

and his loss was against an over the hill coleman?

It wasn't a legitimate loss. The guy snapped his arm on a random fall. So pointing out that Coleman is over the hill isn't a factor.

[Suvaco]

Originally Posted by taadland

oh is that how it was...i was certain it was because of his popularity. (gained through the first show)not his outstanding fights. (1 win vs overrated and out of shape rua, and other than that he had never beat anybody in the top 20...that doesn't= title shot!!!) that shogun forrest fight wasn't contention for the LHW title shot. that fight was suppose to be a stepping stone for mauricio to get chuck plain and simple. that fight had nothing to do with why forrest got a title shot. rampage would have fought once more before sat. if he didn't have to wait for the show to end, and i gaurantee you it wouldn't have been forrest. dude you better learn your game before you make brash statements of idiocracy. do you know anything? beating shogun rua did not make forrest the #1 contender bro. you never get a title shot based off one fight. and look at forrest's last four...dude learn your shit

If Griffin wasn't popular, the UFC might not have given him his title shot, but he did earn it by beating the number 1 LHW in the world at the time. And yes, Shogun was ranked number 1 on almost ever rankings list at the time. You have to learn your shit in this case.
Who should have been the number 1 contender at the time? Remember, at that point, Machida had not beaten Sokky yet and Liddell just lost to Jardine. Forrest was the only one who had a legitimate reason to get the title shot.

Originally Posted by taadland

oh sorry waawwweeweeee....i see you were born in 1990 so you would have been six when i started watching mma... so it makes sense to me why you don't know anything about the sport, and why you make statements like shogun was the #1 LHW in the world when forrest and him faught him that's why he got the title shot. first of all page was #1, and if you were one of the people considering shogun to the best in the lhw division, at the time forrest beat him, can you tell me why? was it cause the shogun had highlight knockouts under pride rules? Or was cause of his 16 wins you probably know of 2 that he beat? Or was cause he had 1 win in 2007? Or was it that in 2006 his best win out of his 3-1 record that year was against an over the hill randleman, and his loss was against an over the hill coleman? i don't know where you get your rankings from but any legit fan knows that rankings go alot farther than potential, and talent.

I don't know anything about the sport? You can insult me, I don't care, but that's just not true.

Shogun was number 1 at the time because he was destroying everyone he fought (including Rampage) and his most recent loss was due to an accidental arm break. He was widely considered number 1 by every legitimate MMA site.

[Zarlok]

Originally Posted by taadland

oh sorry waawwweeweeee....i see you were born in 1990 so you would have been six when i started watching mma... so it makes sense to me why you don't know anything about the sport, and why you make statements like shogun was the #1 LHW in the world when forrest and him faught him that's why he got the title shot. first of all page was #1, and if you were one of the people considering shogun to the best in the lhw division, at the time forrest beat him, can you tell me why?

Uhh, I think you are the one that doesn't know what you were talking about. Shogun was widely cosnidered the best LHW in the world before the Forrest fight.

A better question is why you would think Rampage would be number 1 on the LHW list when Shogun walked through him like he was fighting a newborn kitten. Holding the UFC belt does make you # 1, besudes, what the hell did rampage ever do to deserve a title shot to begin with? Nothing. Get a completely bogus decision win over Ninja? A completely bogus decision win over lindland? Get his ass destroyed twice by silva and one by Shogun like he was nothing but a punching bag?

[Chrisl972]

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