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Old 10-15-2006, 10:13 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Something was wrong with franklin, that fight interview with the shiner that he had was playing for a weeks now on tv and the shiner didn't look any better tonight when he fought, plus, what the hell was up with his obliques when stepped into the ring, even my girlfriend was like "what is wrong with his stomach?" As soon as I saw him step in I knew he had already lost, and looked like he'd allready gotten a beatdown.

I have this funny picture of some guys from the mafia, or even don kings thugs kicking the crap out of franklin and saying, (raging bull style) "take the dive or else lamotta!!! we got money riding on this!!"

Dana didn't look too happy to put the belt on silva either...
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Old 10-15-2006, 10:46 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Excellent post, and I agree with your comments regarding Pride round duration being too long. I've heard that Wanderlei Silva was bumped so that Tito Ortiz could fight Chuck Lidell @ UFC 65 - from a marketing perspective that makes sense as there is significantly more hype/publicity momentum behind Tito in the US market now. We'll have to wait for Silva.
Silva was'nt "bumped". Dana White sees no value in a fight between Liddell and Silva because of the recent knockout loss to Cro Cop suffered by Silva. Besides, no atheletic commission would let this fight be sanctioned because of the recovery period the mandate a fighter needs after suffering such a brutal knockout. If you've seen the fight between Silva and Cro Cop you know how bad of a KO it was. This fight was conditioned upon Chuck's proposed victory over Babalu, and Silva's winning the Pride Absolute and only half those terms came to pass.
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Old 10-15-2006, 10:53 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Something was wrong with franklin, that fight interview with the shiner that he had was playing for a weeks now on tv and the shiner didn't look any better tonight when he fought, plus, what the hell was up with his obliques when stepped into the ring, even my girlfriend was like "what is wrong with his stomach?" As soon as I saw him step in I knew he had already lost, and looked like he'd allready gotten a beatdown.

I have this funny picture of some guys from the mafia, or even don kings thugs kicking the crap out of franklin and saying, (raging bull style) "take the dive or else lamotta!!! we got money riding on this!!"

Dana didn't look too happy to put the belt on silva either...

I believe his "UFC" image will start to unravel. The stupid argument he's created over which organization has the best fighters will cease as people become educated about FIGHTERS not the organization. I must admit it shocked me to see the number of people I've come across who thought Franklin would win offering no sound analysis to support there claim. Just going off his record or his reign as the "UFC" champ. I was happy to see quite a few guys here who called and explained their pick of Franklin or Silva offering good arguments due to both fighters STYLES.
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:15 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I should not have been so naive. I was one of the ones who assumed Franklin would win simply because he has the belt. In doing some online research on Silva, I now feel stupid because Silva is just outstanding (especially with his stand up and his behind the neck clench). It just now seems that the win was well deserved. Silva seemed very grateful.
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Old 10-15-2006, 12:40 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Will a 7 month lay off convert a champ to a complete amateur? Silva's good, but an excellent strategic planner. Fight was concentrated completetly on striking, it was all any one thought of when it came to the fight. It was programmed into Franklin's head. Silva switches it up with classis Muay Thai, Franklins ego gets in the way (concentration on striking) and refuses to look for a take down.

The guy got beasted, I did not predict the Muay Thai factor. Does anyone know what made Silva look toward this strategy? Or is something just seriously off w/ Franklin?
obviously Silva studied this clip over and over. Franklins' one of the best and he's one of my favorites. My theory is Ace is so aggressive because he has more offensive skills than defensive skills. The more offence he pushes, the less he has to defend himself. This was a perfect setup for Silva to sink that clinch and as we all know and have seen (especially in that clip that I have provided a link for) Rich's soft spot seems to be defending kicks.

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Old 10-15-2006, 12:53 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Dana didn't look too happy to put the belt on silva either...
good to see i wasnt the only one to notice that
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Old 10-15-2006, 12:55 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Does anyone know when Rich planned o show up?

Let's not overreact, to this win. Just because Franklin wasn't smart enough to prepare himself for the clinch doesn't make Silva unstoppable.

If I remember correctly it was Franklin that was going to be holding the belt for a long, long time earlier this month even. I think Swick's style matches up well for against Silva. His overall ability, leaves a bit to be determined though.

It was weird, I am huge Franlin fan and for the last couple months I knew this would be his toughest fight in the UFC. I thought he would win until I saw both guys enter the arena. Franklin didn't look ready. Something was off. We'll see if he is a true champion and can come back and get his belt back.

Congrats to Silva. Wonderful fighter but not unstoppable.
I agree. Normally Franklin looks waaaaaay more psycho than that when he walks into the ring. Something wasn't there. Sometimes that's the way it goes - Just like in every other sport. You can have the best team and on some nights, the magic just ain't happening. however I do not want to take anything away from Anderson Silva's win. He won fair and square, and in dominating fashion. An excellent fight, and I don't think there is a fighter out there that wouldn't consider winning the belt from Franklin a huge accomplishment.

I still truely believe that there is no way all Franklins injuries were healed. The fracture was definatly not a factor after 7 months, maybe the hand was healed, but I highly doubt it. The tearing of the ligaments - there's no freaking way that was healed. It takes can take up to over a year for ligaments to not only be healed - but strong enough to hold. Even if his injuries werer healed by the fight, it must've played a factor in his training too. I have posted another thread in the past in which I state that this fight was premature. Although MMA is unlike boxing in that many fighters will fight up to 3 times in a year, that doesn't mean that they should HAVE to fight 3 times a year. Suffering that much damage in the Louaseau fight, Rich should not have been fighting again untill 2007.

I think there should definatly be a rematch, but only after Anderson has fought another 1 or 2 fights.
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Old 10-15-2006, 01:04 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I agree. Normally Franklin looks waaaaaay more psycho than that when he walks into the ring. Something wasn't there. Sometimes that's the way it goes - Just like in every other sport. You can have the best team and on some nights, the magic just ain't happening. however I do not want to take anything away from Anderson Silva's win. He won fair and square, and in dominating fashion. An excellent fight, and I don't think there is a fighter out there that wouldn't consider winning the belt from Franklin a huge accomplishment.

I still truely believe that there is no way all Franklins injuries were healed. The fracture was definatly not a factor after 7 months, maybe the hand was healed, but I highly doubt it. The tearing of the ligaments - there's no freaking way that was healed. It takes can take up to over a year for ligaments to not only be healed - but strong enough to hold. Even if his injuries werer healed by the fight, it must've played a factor in his training too. I have posted another thread in the past in which I state that this fight was premature. Although MMA is unlike boxing in that many fighters will fight up to 3 times in a year, that doesn't mean that they should HAVE to fight 3 times a year. Suffering that much damage in the Louaseau fight, Rich should not have been fighting again untill 2007.

I think there should definatly be a rematch, but only after Anderson has fought another 1 or 2 fights.
I've been aware that he was injured after the Loueissau (dam sp!) fight. However his hand was the only thing I knew of. What were his injuries?
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Old 10-15-2006, 01:41 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Amen brother ... lol ... I completely agree ... I think Rich, although he said he is mentally tough and I think he is - was a little intimidated by the hype surrounding Anderson .. it's really weird that I heard the same comment that I was thinking - watching Rich walk to the Octagon ... the guy had already lost ... that concerns me if he should have a rematch I wonder if he can kick that devastating loss the way Hughes did against Penn
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Why is everyone comparing Franklin's loss to Hughes'? Is it because they both got absolutely dominated? Is it because they are friends?
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