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I just got done watching the fight. He got hit in the arm most of those times. He was clearly still in the fight as he was defending the shots well. he was rolling out of trouble. He was doing all he could to "intelligently defend" himself. Werdum's mount was perfect and Vera was not going ot bench press the guy off of him or slip out the back. He was going to have to ride it out. If it was going on for like a minute or so I would understand the stoppage because Vera had not done anything offensive in a solid minute at that point. But the mount was secured at the 31 second mark and the punches started at like the 29. The fight was stopped at the 18 second mark. 11 seconds of punches to the arms and hands and a couple that snuck through and did no damage. You saw how clearheaded he was after it was called. Eyes forward very present and aware of what was happening and how badly he was robbed of a fight. That was a bad stoppage and I am not a fan of Vera's at all.
Watch the post fight press conference and look at Vera's face. The stoppage was good, he was not doing anything to improve his positions and the refs don't pay attention to the time, Vera lost and that's it.
Watch the post fight press conference and look at Vera's face. The stoppage was good, he was not doing anything to improve his positions and the refs don't pay attention to the time, Vera lost and that's it.
Watch the fight before they got to the mount. That is where the damage cam from. I wasn't saying the time for the ref's sake. I was saying it because it was a short amount of time to be taking such little punishment. Vera was losing the fight and it was a bad stoppage. I really don't see how you justify that stoppage. Vera was doing everything he could do from that position with a guy Werdum.
Why am I the one that needs to go do this extra research anyway? I didn't realize I was debating a topic with an omnipotent person. I have seen the fight a coiuple times now and once is enough to see the press conference.
Watch the fight before they got to the mount. That is where the damage cam from. I wasn't saying the time for the ref's sake. I was saying it because it was a short amount of time to be taking such little punishment. Vera was losing the fight and it was a bad stoppage. I really don't see how you justify that stoppage. Vera was doing everything he could do from that position with a guy Werdum.
Why am I the one that needs to go do this extra research anyway? I didn't realize I was debating a topic with an omnipotent person. I have seen the fight a coiuple times now and once is enough to see the press conference.
And I don't need to agree with you, I think it was a good stoppage, he was not defending himself, covering up in the fetal position is not intelligently defending yourself. Even if he was taken little damage the rules are the rules.
And I don't need to agree with you, I think it was a good stoppage, he was not defending himself, covering up in the fetal position is not intelligently defending yourself. Even if he was taken little damage the rules are the rules.
I certainly don't expect you to agree with me, as you rarely (if ever) have changed your position on any stance here. But the rules read "intelligently defending yourself" hence the quotations in the previous post. And regardless of what position you are in, if you are blocking 98% of the punches and the 2% that sneak in aren't effective that a) qualifies as intelligent and b) if it didn't it certainly is effective.
A lot more than a 2% of the punches were getting through, just because you say they weren't doesn't make it true. He was not defending himself intelligently, he was just covering up in the fetal position, and there were still 20 seconds more to go. And I have just agreed in another thread with another user a few minutes ago, it's just that your arguments suck.
And your argument is, "mine sucks and its wrong". I bring facts and quotations to it and mine sucks but you disagree with it and yours is better. Go ahead and get the last word in little girl you know you have. I am done responding to the illinformed.
And your argument is, "mine sucks and its wrong". I bring facts and quotations to it and mine sucks but you disagree with it and yours is better. Go ahead and get the last word in little girl you know you have. I am done responding to the illinformed.
What pisses me off about this fight is how Joe Rogan went on about how bag the stoppage was, and even said it in the cage over the mic, but when Michael Bisping was throwing punches to Day on the ground, where many of them hit Day's arms, Joe nearly exploded in his pants on how Bisping is throwing bombs and dismantling Day.
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Werdum didn't do enough to end the fight either. Not one of those punches caught Vera and rocked him. Vera was still intelligently defending himself and was doing all he could. I didn't know that you could win a fight by just getting dominant position and throwing ineffective punches.
Thank you! These are the words I was searching for. No way Vera was getting out of that mount but there is also NO WAY that Vera was rocked. He wasnt even dazed. So if I get mount on someone and just slap them the fight should be stopped? He couldnt get out of the mount but he wasnt in danger of being injured either. How could he "intelligently defend himself" when he wasnt getting hurt?
Vera is a crybaby, he said he was winning the 1st round until the stoppage, that guy is delusional. He always blames his loses on someone and gives his opponents no credit. I would have liked the ref to let the fight continue until Vera was a bloody mess so I didn't have to hear his excuses afterwards.
Well, regardless of how the round was going I do think the stoppage was early. And it sucks for both of them because I don't think a fighter likes to win via contraversial stoppage either, it soils the win.
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