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Everyone has a different interpretation, that doesn't necessarily make Big John's right or wrong.
There is no rule stating once a fighter gets 8 unprotected hits to the face, the fight has to be stopped. It's how you interpret the situation and not everyone is going to have the same interpretation.
And my point is that he's widely held to be the best ref the UFC has ever had and perhaps in all of north american MMA, he's definitely the most experienced having done UFC's for over ten years.
Some people's opinions are more valuable than others, because they are better at their job than others.
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And my point is that he's widely held to be the best ref the UFC has ever had and perhaps in all of north american MMA, he's definitely the most experienced having done UFC's for over ten years.
Some people's opinions are more valuable than others, because they are better at their job than others.
Big John thinks it was stopped prematurely yet many of us here feel that the stop was justified. I guess we're all wrong then?
I understand your point about Big John being a respected referee but it's really hard to argue when a stoppage is based on one's interpretation not on a strict number of unanswered strikes during a certain amount of time.
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I agree that the stoppage was bad, but I don't agree with how Vera is dealing with it. He lost the fight. Period.
I'd feel more inclined to defend Vera if he wasn't being a baby about it, but that's beside the point.
The point is that he was dominated by Werdum, because Werdum did what everybody knew he would (and what I said he would). He got Vera in the clinch, took him down and worked the position.
Even if Vera argues that the stoppage was premature, he can't argue that he wasn't getting his ass kicked.
Big John thinks it was stopped prematurely yet many of us here feel that the stop was justified. I guess we're all wrong then?
Well, only one option can be right, so yes, I think people who feel the stoppage was justified are wrong. I also think its very telling that Dan Miragliotta has managed to have more contraversial stoppages in two weeks than most refs have in two years. That suggests that there might be something about his style of reffing (at least lately) that is different from other refs.
Obviously (and John even says this in the broadcast) it is a subjective thing. But Miragliotta needs to remember that these guys come in here to fight and are expecting to get hurt, stopping it when the fighter can still continue is a serious slap in the face to a guy who's just trained for 9 weeks and paid out thousands of dollars preparing for the fight.
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Well, only one option can be right, so yes, I think people who feel the stoppage was justified are wrong. I also think its very telling that Dan Miragliotta has managed to have more contraversial stoppages in two weeks than most refs have in two years. That suggests that there might be something about his style of reffing (at least lately) that is different from other refs.
Obviously (and John even says this in the broadcast) it is a subjective thing. But Miragliotta needs to remember that these guys come in here to fight and are expecting to get hurt, stopping it when the fighter can still continue is a serious slap in the face to a guy who's just trained for 9 weeks and paid out thousands of dollars preparing for the fight.
I personally think Miragliotta is just doing the best job he can.
Miragliotta is just a more conservative referee.. so to speak.
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I personally think Miragliotta is just doing the best job he can.
Miragliotta is just a more conservative referee.. so to speak.
Definitely more conservative. Avoiding the political sense of the word, (hehe) I think conservative in this case is bad. Fighters deserve their shot. Premature stoppages are going to hurt the growth of the sport.
also, re: unanswered strikes, I do not believe the "unanswered" strikes are really the issue. The idea of answering strikes from the bottom is pretty silly. By your logic almost any fight that went to mount should be stopped almost immediately because you know until he escapes he's going to be basically blocking and eating punches, there's not much else to do when you're mounted. The ref needs to be watching the fighter to see when he is actually no longer defending himself, not counting the number of punches the guy on top is throwing.
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Definitely more conservative. Avoiding the political sense of the word, (hehe) I think conservative in this case is bad. Fighters deserve their shot. Premature stoppages are going to hurt the growth of the sport.
also, re: unanswered strikes, I do not believe the "unanswered" strikes are really the issue. The idea of answering strikes from the bottom is pretty silly. By your logic almost any fight that went to mount should be stopped almost immediately because you know until he escapes he's going to be basically blocking and eating punches, there's not much else to do when you're mounted. The ref needs to be watching the fighter to see when he is actually no longer defending himself, not counting the number of punches the guy on top is throwing.
By unanswered, I mean unanswered in the fact that he's not responding to the strikes intelligently other than waving his hand around.
I also think that conservative referees are sometimes needed because if you have referees that continue fights when the fighters can be in serious danger, many fights can end up looking like Nick Diaz vs Jeremy Jackson 1.
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I dont understand everyone saying he wasnt defending himself though. He said himself in the press conference he knew he wasnt getting out of mount but he knew the round was coming to a close so since he wasnt taking damage he figured he would protect and wait out the round..thus the reason he called out to the ref multiple times that he was ok.
Had he tried to strike back he opens up his face and would've given Werdum the opportunity to actually do damage. He could've wasted energy trying to buck him off but like he said himself, Werdum has a world class mount and he knew it would be wasted. So he covered and prevented any damage from happening knowing he would have another chance in round 2.
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