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07-06-2008, 05:59 PM
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I didnt expect him to stand there... thats not my point.
But the fact that Machida is quick enuf to get out and not suffer any damage makes him boring (as Zender stated).
Machida 'did' do that already... yet everyone gives him flac for doing it.
But eat a few, get your face busted up... and its exciting.
If Forrest could have gotten out fast enough, he would have done so... without getting hit.
The Tito/Machida fight was pretty much the same as you stated... 'He ran in there hit a few hits, and backed out'... and I think you need to rewatch that fight again before you state thats not what Machida did... cause Tito's face tells a different story
'...but Machida would never do that'... as far as I can tell, hes not backing up...
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Forrset and Machida do not have the same style.....one of them is a hillbilly and one is a samurai..lol, no but they are not the same, maybe the ability to backpedal but all the way down to the strikes they are different.....i dunno if I agree with you so let me ask you this...who do you think has the more exiting style if you had to choose between Machida or Forrest???  P.S. just for clarification my two favorite LHW bsides Chuck are Forrest & Machida..ftr
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07-06-2008, 06:01 PM
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Allright then, What you stated in the first post is why is Forrest not getting the same negativety that Machida is. Easy, Machida has been following that stratagy ever since he came into the UFC. Forrest, thinking that this is one way to win did that way. It is not like Forrest was going through with this against Shogun. Forrest trains to beat the opponent with whatever stratagy works best. Machida just keeps with his stratagy EVERY fight.
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07-06-2008, 06:03 PM
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Well I guess the Machida haters are going to hate him ever more when he takes the belt from Forrest. Assuming Forrest can hold on to it for that long.
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07-06-2008, 06:19 PM
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Both had/have the gameplan of get in the pocket, hit then retreat so as to take as little damage as possible. Simple really, you can split hairs talking about stance or crap like that but gameplan wise is why Machida gets the crap, that's how Forrest fought except not quite as efficiently.
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Well I guess the Machida haters are going to hate him ever more when he takes the belt from Forrest. Assuming Forrest can hold on to it for that long.
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07-06-2008, 06:29 PM
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Forrest has had two of the most amazing fights in MMA history before this fight, and this fight was also very entertaining.
I Have seen 9 of machidas fights, I was not entertained by any of them. He has mad skill, but ill never be a fan and sadly that is the way most people look at him. He needs to start having exciting fights, because the first time he gets caught or loses not just bottom of the barrel but he'll probably be on the prelims.
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07-06-2008, 06:37 PM
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Forrset and Machida do not have the same style.....one of them is a hillbilly and one is a samurai..lol, no but they are not the same, maybe the ability to backpedal but all the way down to the strikes they are different.....i dunno if I agree with you so let me ask you this...who do you think has the more exiting style if you had to choose between Machida or Forrest??? P.S. just for clarification my two favorite LHW bsides Chuck are Forrest & Machida..ftr |
Point taken...
The strategy taken by Forrst this last bout with Page was similar to same strategy take by Machida with Tito.
I dont think I can generalize on who has the more exciting fights...
But for these last two... I give the more exciting fight to Machida versus Tito.
For 5 rounds Forrest did the same thing... so did Rampage.
The only adjustment Forrest made was after the first round, where he had to remind himself not to go toe-to-toe with Page.
Rampage didnt change his style at all... for 5 rounds he kept looking for the same thing... which Forrest was going to have none of.
So what did Forrest do? ... put 3 punches together and got out... sometimes getting caught, sometimes not. He got the G&P for a whole round and could do nothing with it.
Hightlights of that fight are: Forrest's leg kicks, Rampage putting Forrest down in the first.
How about Machida/Ortiz? ... Machida put punches together and got out... switch kicks, counter punches. Tito caught on in the last round, started to clench... he adjusted and started getting his shots in.
Highlights of that fight: Machida's kicks and knee that drops Tito. Tito's triangle attempt.
The Ortiz fight was dynamic, it actually changed in the last round... which made the fight more exciting for me.
Forrest/Page ... each had a plan, neither made adjustments.
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07-06-2008, 06:50 PM
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Point taken...
The strategy taken by Forrst this last bout with Page was similar to same strategy take by Machida with Tito.
I dont think I can generalize on who has the more exciting fights...
But for these last two... I give the more exciting fight to Machida versus Tito.
For 5 rounds Forrest did the same thing... so did Rampage.
The only adjustment Forrest made was after the first round, where he had to remind himself not to go toe-to-toe with Page.
Rampage didnt change his style at all... for 5 rounds he kept looking for the same thing... which Forrest was going to have none of.
So what did Forrest do? ... put 3 punches together and got out... sometimes getting caught, sometimes not. He got the G&P for a whole round and could do nothing with it.
Hightlights of that fight are: Forrest's leg kicks, Rampage putting Forrest down in the first.
How about Machida/Ortiz? ... Machida put punches together and got out... switch kicks, counter punches. Tito caught on in the last round, started to clench... he adjusted and started getting his shots in.
Highlights of that fight: Machida's kicks and knee that drops Tito. Tito's triangle attempt.
The Ortiz fight was dynamic, it actually changed in the last round... which made the fight more exciting for me.
Forrest/Page ... each had a plan, neither made adjustments.
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100% agree with you i love Machida and find his style very entertaining..imo the only thing rampage did well in that fight with Forrest was counterpunch...largely because of what Forrest did to Rampage's knee....That stopped Rampage from taking Forrest down and also took him out of his ability to plant and throw devestation like he normally does...I think what alot of people are not doing is giving Forrest enough praise for his ability to break Page down and then pick him apart..ANYONE who thinks Randy Cotoure didnt put that gameplan together for Forrest is crazy!!!! Also i seem to remember Forrest saying he wanted to exploit Rampage with the clinch and basically he did the exact opposite, stick and move and pick your opponent apart, I just wish Forrest threw the jab a little more..  We share many of the same views as far as Machida, all the way down to the third round of the fight with Tito!!
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07-06-2008, 07:01 PM
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Machida still needs to prove he can cut it with the top level guys so I wouldn't get too ahead of myself on that.
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I have faith in the man. He has beaten a lot of good guys but some werent exactly in the same weightclass as him lol. Still, Im not sure why they keep giving him fights that do nothing for his contender status. |
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07-06-2008, 07:08 PM
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I have faith in the man. He has beaten a lot of good guys but they some werent exactly in the same weightclass as him lol. Still, Im not sure why they keep giving him fights that do nothing for his contender status.
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I really hope he's given quality from here on in, he deserves nothing less. It really wouldn't surprise me if he did go all the way to the belt undefeated but between who he's fought so far & the talent he still has to face (in LHW), it's a big leap in class. That's why I'm holding out for title predictions. |
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07-06-2008, 07:19 PM
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Point taken...
The strategy taken by Forrst this last bout with Page was similar to same strategy take by Machida with Tito.
I dont think I can generalize on who has the more exciting fights...
But for these last two... I give the more exciting fight to Machida versus Tito.
For 5 rounds Forrest did the same thing... so did Rampage.
The only adjustment Forrest made was after the first round, where he had to remind himself not to go toe-to-toe with Page.
Rampage didnt change his style at all... for 5 rounds he kept looking for the same thing... which Forrest was going to have none of.
So what did Forrest do? ... put 3 punches together and got out... sometimes getting caught, sometimes not. He got the G&P for a whole round and could do nothing with it.
Hightlights of that fight are: Forrest's leg kicks, Rampage putting Forrest down in the first.
How about Machida/Ortiz? ... Machida put punches together and got out... switch kicks, counter punches. Tito caught on in the last round, started to clench... he adjusted and started getting his shots in.
Highlights of that fight: Machida's kicks and knee that drops Tito. Tito's triangle attempt.
The Ortiz fight was dynamic, it actually changed in the last round... which made the fight more exciting for me.
Forrest/Page ... each had a plan, neither made adjustments.
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The Ortiz-Machida fight was exiting during 3 periods. The last 15 secs of round 1, when the ref fell over, and the last minute of the last round.
The first 10-15 minutes of the Forrest-Rampage fight was exciting, and the rest wasn't too boring.
Forrest didn't change his plan cause it was working. Rampage should have, but I'm sure he knows that for next time.
Comparing Forrest to Machida is crazy. Yeah they both use elusiveness as part of their gameplan, but Forrest keeps the pressure up, constantly landing with leg kicks or punches. Machida fights by waiting until he thinks he has an opening, connecting, and then getting out of there. Its like comparing Wandy and Chuck. Yeah they both rely on punching, but they both have very different styles.
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