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07-06-2008, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Arlovski_Fan
The Ortiz-Machida fight was exiting during 3 periods. The last 15 secs of round 1, when the ref fell over, and the last minute of the last round.
The first 10-15 minutes of the Forrest-Rampage fight was exciting, and the rest wasn't too boring.
Forrest didn't change his plan cause it was working. Rampage should have, but I'm sure he knows that for next time.
Comparing Forrest to Machida is crazy. Yeah they both use elusiveness as part of their gameplan, but Forrest keeps the pressure up, constantly landing with leg kicks or punches. Machida fights by waiting until he thinks he has an opening, connecting, and then getting out of there. Its like comparing Wandy and Chuck. Yeah they both rely on punching, but they both have very different styles.
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No it's not, it's not like that at all. Just because you make such a bad comparison doesn't mean your right. With regards to this thread I think most meant similar gameplan. Actual striking style is different due to their background but then you probably knew that anyway. |
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07-06-2008, 07:38 PM
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I don't think so. Forrest was way more aggressive than Lyoto would have been in a fight like that. I didn't see Forrest shuffling around the outside of the octagon poking ina shot here and there. Forrest was throwing shots pratically the entire time. And Forrest said himself, he knows he doesnt have the power in his hands like rampage does so it would be stupid for him stand there and trade with him for so long. With someone like Bonnar who doesn't have as much KO power he can stand there and trade like that.
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07-06-2008, 07:40 PM
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Machida only cares about points, his gameplan coming into every fight is im quicker with the kicks so that is all i will do and i will "elude" immediately so my opponent cant score any points at which time when he realizes that time is running out and he is behind in points he will have to act desperately and attack as strong as possible at which time it will leave him very open leaving more chances for me to hit him.
The reason I give Machida very little praise is if we took time out of the equation and it would be who could either KO/TKO/Submit the other fighter first, Machida would not win a single fight since his opponent would not have to act recklessly out of fear of losing a decision.
A very solid argument could be made for Forrest last night that if the fight went another 3 rounds a TKO or submission would have resulted for Forrest based on how devastated that leg was and how he showed he can take Rampage down as well as stun him with some of his punches.
How many more rounds after round 2 do you think Machida would have needed to defeat Ortiz if no time limits existed, do you really think Tito would have attacked so recklessly and gotten that knee to the stomach which was the biggest blow out of the whole 15 minutes of the match, I dont think so. And on top of all of that Tito isnt even a legit Light Heavyweight anymore.
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07-06-2008, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rezin
Machida only cares about points, his gameplan coming into every fight is im quicker with the kicks so that is all i will do and i will "elude" immediately so my opponent cant score any points at which time when he realizes that time is running out and he is behind in points he will have to act desperately and attack as strong as possible at which time it will leave him very open leaving more chances for me to hit him.
The reason I give Machida very little praise is if we took time out of the equation and it would be who could either KO/TKO/Submit the other fighter first, Machida would not win a single fight since his opponent would not have to act recklessly out of fear of losing a decision.
A very solid argument could be made for Forrest last night that if the fight went another 3 rounds a TKO or submission would have resulted for Forrest based on how devastated that leg was and how he showed he can take Rampage down as well as stun him with some of his punches.
How many more rounds after round 2 do you think Machida would have needed to defeat Ortiz if no time limits existed, do you really think Tito would have attacked so recklessly and gotten that knee to the stomach which was the biggest blow out of the whole 15 minutes of the match, I dont think so. And on top of all of that Tito isnt even a legit Light Heavyweight anymore.
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Machida submitted Sokoudjou in the second round. 
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07-06-2008, 11:20 PM
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Machida submitted Sokoudjou in the second round. |
Yeah, a tier 2 fighter who thinks shogun is ducking him. Has Machida finished anyone worth mentioning, no. I have no problem conceding that Machida has great finishing abilities against cans. Hey here is an exciting fight, we could get him to fight jason thompson, I am sure Machida will finish him too. |
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07-06-2008, 11:26 PM
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So why can't anyone beat Machida? According to you they have 3 full rounds to KO or submit him. A win is a win, he is very calculated and doesn't take a lot of risks in terms of finishing opponents. Why should he? He doesn't leave himself open like a lot of other fighters and has a solid record to back it up.
MMA isn't just about KOing someone as fast as you can.
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07-06-2008, 11:29 PM
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Yeah, a tier 2 fighter who thinks shogun is ducking him. Has Machida finished anyone worth mentioning, no. I have no problem conceding that Machida has great finishing abilities against cans. Hey here is an exciting fight, we could get him to fight jason thompson, I am sure Machida will finish him too.
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07-06-2008, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rezin
Yeah, a tier 2 fighter who thinks shogun is ducking him. Has Machida finished anyone worth mentioning, no. I have no problem conceding that Machida has great finishing abilities against cans. Hey here is an exciting fight, we could get him to fight jason thompson, I am sure Machida will finish him too.
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I would basically tell you that whoever you wanna put in there with Machida...throw em in with machida!! Who though??? Wandy, i mean which guy if you could pick one would you want to take Machidas "0"??? Just curious?? 
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07-06-2008, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by xeberus
He needs to start having exciting fights, because the first time he gets caught or loses not just bottom of the barrel but he'll probably be on the prelims.
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Thats makes me sad. Because what you say is in all honesty, true. |
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07-06-2008, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coldcall420
I would basically tell you that whoever you wanna put in there with Machida...throw em in with machida!! Who though??? Wandy, i mean which guy if you could pick one would you want to take Machidas "0"??? Just curious?? |
You know I have honestly thought about that quite a bit not because I want to be a d**k, but I am not entirely sold on the guy. Just throwing this out there but I think Wandy would be a terrific match since he would literally run after Machida and try to knock him out.
Liddell on the other hand would quite possibly IMO be the worst fight ever since they are both counterpunches and no one would really be the aggressor.
I think the toughest opponent Machida could possibly face is one who is as quick if not quicker to the kick that Machida, since that would have him trail in the points and we might actually see what Machida is made of.
I am not saying the guy sucks since he has not lost to anyone so there is no way of anyone making such a statement but I personally see him like a Cung Le in I am not yet sold on the guy yet, could change after his next fight or 2 and I will be the first to eat crow on my statements. |
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All this Love for Forrest...
