mrmyz

people like to find a reason to bitch

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J.P.

I don't care what you or Forrest say. I saw the fight and his hands were not light as a feather.

I saw the Ortiz and Sokky fight and it looks to me like Forrest was hitting a little harder than Machida.

And seriously that little switch kick in the gif on this thread is not heavy, does not do any damage, and was blocked. It just looks pretty. Damage is the knee kicks that Forrests tree trunk of legs were delivering to Rampage.

Forrest was not fishing. He was attacking. He was rushing in, using angles, throwing kicks, blocking, counterstriking, evading, clinching, throwing knees, attempting to submit. and.......mounting.

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mrmyz

you obviously dont train, and yeah because forest has the ability to fold some one over with his body shots like machida did to sodoku. Forest has no power thats why his fights get so bloody because he will hit you a thousand times and it will only do superficial damage.

1 punch from rampage , chuck or wand will drop you 5 from forest wont. Some guys just dont have ko power and forest is one of them and if he was effectively using his angles he would have ko'd rampage from precision striking like anderson does. He wasnt effectively using angles.

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coldcall420

WTFD....you obviously dont train...how the hell did you come up with that based on what he wrote. YOU are dead right about Wandy and Chuck and Page having k/o power....other than that you are totally wrong. Forrest fights dont have him being all bloody cuz he doesnt have power and hits his opponents a thousand times..its cuz he used to stand in there against dude that had power and take a thousand shots to the face and keeps commin...i read what you wrote and i just am unable to find any logic....JP however makes a clear point and your rebuttle to that was totally off target

the fact is that Forrest is similar in that he sticks and moves like Machida is true and as far as which of those two move in and strike with power, I would also say that Forrest does it with more power vs. Machida who does it in a retreating manner more defensivly....I do train btw.....and that has nothing to do with weather or not i make sense...

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J.P.

You're the guy who said that you train stand up with Marcus Aurelio.

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/39447-of...re-post-2.html Posts #14 and # 16

Do you have any footage of any professional or otherwise fights that you've had? Because I want you to show me that since you train, and I "apparantly don't" that you can effectivly use at least just one angle in a strike.

And how can you say that he would have knocked out Rampage had he used them correctly, you just said that he has no knockout power.

Your post is extremly inconsistant. As are most of them.

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I just realized, the people who are criticizing Forrest for not finishing Rampage are the same people who said that he couldn't finish him.

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coldcall420

waiting...... How could anyone not love this: http://mmamania.com/2008/07/07/forre...ncement-video/

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mrmyz

because you dont need knock out power to get a KO, I myself dont have knock out power but I can effectively use angles and use precision striking to get the same result. ie. the hitting some one on the button. Hell my favorite strike is a short right.

My posts are consistent if you know what the heck im talking about. As far as my training goes, I train at american top team and have been kick boxing for over 15 years. I will post up videos when I get off of work because youtube is blocked. Ive lived and fought in thailand, had several boxing fights and was the carribean kick boxing champion.

My striking pedigree is solid.

let me break it down a little bit. When I meant is fights get all bloody I dont mean just him because he stands there the other person gets bloody. He would stand and brawl but couldnt ko bonar and couldnt ko rampage. He landed a lot of shots and none of them knocked out bonar on the other hand you take 1 shot from chuck wand or page and that one shot will lay you out if you dont cover. Thats knock out power.

KO power = you being able to end the fight with one shot.
Forest = cant end a fight in one shot

I mean look at his record on sherdog. Forest has one KO from a punch in his whole pro mma career and that was back in 2003. He has had one professional knock out in his entire career and it was 5 years ago come on now lets be realistic that isnt knock out power.

Wandy = 22 tkos
Chuck = 13 tkos
rampage = 13 tkos
forest = 3 tkos (2 from flurry stopages and 1 actual bomb ko)

So quit lieing to yourselves. Forest doesnt have ko power and never has. Im sorry if you dont want to beleive it but its plain as day. Im no taking anything away from forest but he isnt a knock out artist. he can win off of stopages subs and decision but he isnt going to knock any of the top guys out any time soon.

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coldcall420

Forrest has a TKO over Elvis Sinosic(just like what Jardine did to him TKO) and the K/O over Edson Paredao...the point is if you ran in on Forrest and he caught you with one good shot your goin down and so is anyone with a temple or a little spot behind their ear.... also the whole point you should take away from the other night is Forrest doesnt necessarily need K/O power he has great subs and CAN exchange but has learned to break guys down "chop em down like a tree" and he did that to Rampage...with all that said, why does one need to train to know all this???


all those stats do is show that Forrest wins in other ways...plus has less pro fights..Rampage thought he was gonna do what he did to Chuck against Forrest and didnt, he looked overweight(fat..the worst I ever seen him), and he looked like he had no gameplan other than that one great shot and Forrest didnt let it land...except for the first and he recovered...

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mrmyz

no, stoppages isnt the same thing as a knock out from heavy hands. Thats from dominating from a dominant position. Im talking about if you go toe to toe with forest what are the chanches he will knock you out or knock you down on your feet. He has 1 fight where he managed to do it his whole career.

his "breaking down of oponents" isnt that great it got the job done last time but his kicks are sloppy as crap. The reason he did good was because rampage had a HUGE hole in his game that people never exploited. When you train you understand whats going on ALOT better then people that dont train. Its like saying yeah Im not educated on the law but I know whats up. You dont.

Your absolutely right forest has very underated BJJ game that people dont know about or even think of when they talk about forest but hes not a knock out artist and he doenst have knock out power. Let me get this str8 Im not saying forest isnt a good fighter he's good and gets the job done but hes not a knock out artist and he doesnt have ko power like the heavy hitters in the ufc.

Like you said he finds other ways to win because he doesnt have the ability to end a fight at any given time.

Lets break down the stats from the rampage fight
right cross 11 out of 88
jabs landed 5 out of 83
power to the body 4 out of 16
body jabs 1 out of 3

So he landed 16 head shots and 11 out of those head shots are supposed to be shots that could potentially knock some one out. If forest had power in his hands and had good knock out power based off of these stats you would think he did a lot of damage right? Yet he didnt.



now lets look at rampages scores for the fight
right cross landed 16 out of 73
jabs landed 5 out of 25
body power 6 out of 7

landing 21 head shots and forest looks like shit because of it. Just look at the stats and you cant deny it. I am a forest fan and I admit he is a great fighter, good grappler, and can work I mean he was working the shit out of his jab that night and claiming distance but hes not going to be known for his knock out power ever. These are the undisputable facts.

1. Forest has one KO from standing positon in his whole career.
2. Forest landed multiple clean power shots to the head and did no damage to rampage.

The most he is capable of doing is getting a flash knock down (where you stun some one or knock them down but they are still concious and can recover.) he doesnt have the power needed for a standing knock out. If he ever gets a tko it will always be from stoppage.

This isnt anything new either, any one that is a decent striker can see that forest doesnt have the ability to knock some one out. Like rampage said forest cant bust a grape.