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post #21 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-21-2008, 10:59 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Flak View Post
In hindsight i bet he wishes that he just defended twice and moved on. Although that ship has sailed now, and i suppose he didn't want to risk losing, thus negating the need to see the Fedor fight.

The whole situation kinda blows for everyone, but most of all for Randy. Fedor is still king, and the UFC rolls on.
I agree but I think since Dana wants him back he could probably just come back but the only problem with that is it might not sit well with a lot of people.

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post #22 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-21-2008, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thuggedout View Post
did fedor not demand 2 million from the ufc which is how the negotiations fell

i ask because he made $300 000 in affliction with no win bonus

arlovski made more then him
wrong, the UFC was willing to pay Fedor 2 million per fight, what made fedor not sign with the UFC is because it was too restrictive. He wanted more freedom in how his future will play out.

I think you are confusing EliteXC's negotiation with fedor. They could not afford to pay fedor 2 million, so he never signed with them.
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Originally Posted by thuggedout View Post
did fedor not demand 2 million from the ufc which is how the negotiations fell

i ask because he made $300 000 in affliction with no win bonus

arlovski made more then him
I'm willing to bet he made way more than $300,000, that was just his base pay. Maybe not $2 mil, but a lot.
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I remember when Joe Rogan said if Couture met up with Fedor he would just dominate him in close it ever happened, no question about it! … it was sometime around the Gonzaga fight …per or post or on the night/ It’s been awhile. That has always been one of the comments that has been on my mind with the two. Wish I had the link though …anyone remember that ??


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Why dosnt Randy just honor his contract, I thought there were only 2 fights remaining on it? If he would have done that in the first place he would be free now.

Randys not getting any younger, I think Fedor might kill him in a ring and probably a cage to.
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Originally Posted by Aaronyman View Post
cuz all randy cares about is $$$$$
Nothing wrong with that, he has what a year or two left on his career and why shouldnt he get the money he wants?
And regardless of that if he has only one or two fights left in him why not let him cement his legacy?
Mind you if he does get to fight Fedor he should also fight Barnett especially as he beat the crap out of Rizzo.
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post #27 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-22-2008, 08:43 AM
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I have given up on this situation. Nogueira is the rightful UFC champ because Randy has refused to defend his belt against him so in my mind he forfeits the belt.

The UFC can and will keep this in court with appeals long after people have stopped caring. I am much more interested in speculating over a fight that actually has potential to take place like Fedor/Barnett or Fedor/Arlovski than one that has no chance to take place like Fedor/Couture.
I think Fedor/Barnett or Fedor/Arlovski are more interesting fights because I think both guys would be more competitive than Randy at this point, however I think Fedor/Couture will happen fairly soon (within the next year). Why? $$$$$$$ It is the fight that most fans want to see, when there is that much potential cash floating around somebody picks it up.
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What if Randy just fights and violates UFC contract? Can UFC sue him, and take his purse (and more?)?

What if he fights outside the country?

What I want to know is how UFC can enforce their contract if Randy violates it.
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Originally Posted by thuggedout View Post
did fedor not demand 2 million from the ufc which is how the negotiations fell

i ask because he made $300 000 in affliction with no win bonus

arlovski made more then him
I found this article about Fedor by Dave Meltzer a few days ago, but I can't find it now. Anyway here's the details of when the UFC was trying to get Fedor. Long read, I gotta say.

Interesting article by Meltzer on Fedor


taken from mmajunkie.com http://mmajunkie.com/news/4799/fedor...spite-fame.mma

Fedor remains mysterious despite fame
by Dave Meltzer on Jul 14, 2008 at 1:20 pm ET
No fighter in the sport of mixed martial arts has the mystique of Fedor Emelianenko. Not only has he rarely been challenged, but he's been so dominant that the few moments in which he has appeared mortal in combat have become legendary, as if they are the only proof the man sometimes called "The Russian Cyborg" really is human.

Emelianenko brings his 27-1 (1 no-contest) record to the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., on July 19 to face his most significant test in close to three years, when he faces former two-time Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight king Tim "The Maine-iac" Sylvia on the debut show of the Affliction promotion.

Nearly every poll in the fight world asking who the greatest MMA fighter of all-time is, puts Emelianenko No. 1, not only in the heavyweight division, but overall.

The only reason the Russian native from Stary Oskol wouldn't be considered No. 1 today is the fact he has not fought top-notch competition in quite some time in an ever-changing and evolving sport.

But Emelianenko became the top heavyweight in the world on March 16, 2003, when he scored a one-sided decision over current UFC interim champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira to capture the Pride world heavyweight title, a belt he maintained until the company closed in 2007.

Emelianenko was offered a multi-fight deal last year with UFC after the company purchased PRIDE, which included a seven-figure signing bonus and a minimum of $1.5 million per fight, a level of pay nobody in MMA has ever achieved. The company expected to make what would have been one of the biggest fights in MMA history against then-champion Randy Couture.

But negotiations fell apart on a number of points, from the UFC's demand for promotional exclusivity and a clause that he could be cut with multiple losses, to Emelianenko's management demanding the contractual ability to turn down opponents and wanting to partner with UFC in holding events in Russia.

Couture's being mad about Emelianenko being offered so much when "The Natural" helped build UFC, and his frustration about not getting the match in the first place, in some ways led to Couture quitting UFC as champion. Now on the sidelines, Couture is waiting for a favorable court ruling that would enable him to face the Russian.

But a win by Sylvia in Anaheim would remove much of the luster from that proposed fight. What is most ironic about the fight is that last year, when Emelianenko's management were in negotiations with UFC, Sylvia was the name the Russian's handlers specifically mentioned not wanting to fight.

Talent doesn't translate into box office

All Fedor's wins and mystique hasn't quite made him a top box office draw. In Japan, where Emelianenko has fought most of his career, he never had the mainstream appeal of fighters like Mirko Cro Cop, a spectacular KO artist, Bob Sapp, a freakish American who wasn't a top fighter but had a huge personality, or Wanderlei Silva, an aggressive exciting fighter who had a legendary series of matches with national hero Kazushi Sakuraba.

In the U.S., his last fight on pay-per-view, on April 14, 2007, when he faced natural middleweight contender Matt Lindland for Bodog Fight in Russia, drew a miserable 13,000 buys and essentially set that company on the fast road right out of business. Previously, as the main eventer on a loaded 2006 PRIDE show in Las Vegas, facing Mark Coleman, the show did about 40,000 buys, also considered a huge disappointment.

And now, at 31, a match with Sylvia, who at 6-8 and 260 pounds, towers over the 6-0, 235-pounder, becomes a genuine test to see if the Emelianenko of mythical proportions is imaginary or real, particularly since Cro Cop, considered by most his last true test back in the summer of 2005, came to UFC and took worse beatings against Gabriel Gonzaga and Cheick Kongo.

On paper, Emelianenko's weakness would appear to be a quick wrestler who has submission knowledge, the type of opponent he's never faced and didn't exist during his heyday as PRIDE champion. Sylvia is not that opponent but, as a giant, is actually the type of foe Emelianenko has thrived against in the past.

Emelianenko, who was a Russian champion in judo and a World champion in sambo before starting with the RINGS promotion in Russia in 2000, holds wins over Choi Hong-man (7-2 1/2, 367 pounds) and Semmy Schilt (7-0, 270 pounds), men who tower over even Sylvia.

"I don't think my game plan has ever been much of a secret," said Sylvia.

"Stand up and brawl, avoid takedowns as much as possible and try to knock him out. I don't see any weaknesses in his game. I think my size and reach is going to play a factor in this fight.

He noted that he's a complete MMA fighter, something Choi was not, and that Schilt in 2002 when he fought Fedor, had no takedown defense, so the size difference was negated from the start of the fight.

Dave Meltzer covers mixed martial arts for Yahoo! Sports. This story originally appeared on Yahoo! Sports and is syndicated on MMAjunkie.com as part of a content-partnership deal between the two sites.

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Originally Posted by pipe View Post
Why dosnt Randy just honor his contract, I thought there were only 2 fights remaining on it? If he would have done that in the first place he would be free now.

Randys not getting any younger, I think Fedor might kill him in a ring and probably a cage to.
Do you honestly think that they would have given Randy his fights as fast as they could have just so their marketable heavyweight champion, first man in the UFC to have held belts in two different weight classes, Could quit, give up his title and move onto a different organization? No they would probably have given him a fight, then given him his last fight at the end of his contract, which he is waiting out anyway.

Not to mention this whole no competing clause they are pushing to make it so he can't fight for another year after he is officially not under contract.

Hell they were giving him shit because he was cornering fighters in the IFL.

It was always a lose lose situation for Randy. He is just taking the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

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