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Mr. Bungle 10-20-2006 12:52 PM

When should a fighter retire?
 
I've heard a lot of people (myself included at times) talking about how fighters like Shamrock and Gracie should have retired a long time ago. How it's sad to see them fight past their prime when their skills have deteriorated and they aren't able to roll with the younger guys anymore. But if you think about there is something to be said for legends who will give the next generation a shot without caring about their record or their "legacy".

Take Royce for example, when he fought Hughes he knew he was going in there as an underdog, he knew that there was a very good chance he would be beaten and it would affect the way people viewed him and his career but he did it anyway. And I dont believe for a minute it was for the money, I think he did it because he absolutely loves the sport and he isn't ready to give up his reputation until there is someone who could take it away from him. That's pretty admirable if you ask me...and the same goes for Shamrock, he gave lots of young fighters a shot at a legend and it's not like he laid down and rolled over, he fought his heart out until the end and made them earn it.

That's why it disgusts me when I see people talking shit about these guys...it's usually people who know or care nothing about the history of the sport. People with little or no understanding of what makes or drives a great champion. You'll recognize them because they'll be wearing the T-shirt with a picture of whatever fighter is the flavour of the month. Not real fans in my book.

What are your thoughts on when a fighter should hang up the gloves?

3DLee 10-20-2006 01:02 PM

I think a fighter should retire when they start to fatigue more often and earlier and when they just cant keep up with the competition. Shamrock retired a little too late, Couture, right on time.

AtomDanger 10-20-2006 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 3DLee
I think a fighter should retire when they start to fatigue more often and earlier and when they just cant keep up with the competition. Shamrock retired a little too late, Couture, right on time.


I Agree, but I will give credit to Shamrock who stuck it in there a little and finished his buisiness. err.. Tried to.

Slick_Fugitive 10-20-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 3DLee
I think a fighter should retire when they start to fatigue more often and earlier and when they just cant keep up with the competition. Shamrock retired a little too late, Couture, right on time.

Shamrock should have retired 5 years ago ... it's easy to forget when you look at his 3 ass-whoopings at the hands of Tito, this guy was considered one of the best in the 1990s ... and beat the cream of the crop ... like too many champs (like Evander Holyfield) he stuck around far too long

Mr. Bungle 10-20-2006 02:10 PM

But doesnt it make you sick when fighters choose to go out on top? What real champion would say "That's it folks I'm quitting while I'm # 1"...Lennox Lewis did and most boxing fans with any sense detest him for it.

Na, I think a true champion says "I'm not going out that easy, you're going to have to force me out kicking and screaming!"

Mr. Bungle 10-20-2006 02:14 PM

"Shamrock should have retired 5 Years ago"

Oh really? So you didn't watch his fights or take an interest in them? If not that's fine but his Spike TV fight with Tito drew a huge audience so I guess lots of people still thought he was worth watching.

So maybe that's when a fighter should retire...when the fans aren't interested in seeing them fight anymore :dunno:

Grotty 10-20-2006 02:15 PM

Lennox Lewis had nothing left to prove look at the division after he left it was crap, as for when a fighter should retire- imo top of the game (champion) and financially secure, but most of all when that person doesnt want to fight other than against hasbeens.

Chrisl972 10-20-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Bungle
But doesnt it make you sick when fighters choose to go out on top? What real champion would say "That's it folks I'm quitting while I'm # 1"...Lennox Lewis did and most boxing fans with any sense detest him for it.

Na, I think a true champion says "I'm not going out that easy, you're going to have to force me out kicking and screaming!"

I have to agree with you on this one. I hate to see any great fighter walk away when still on top. I think Couture went out at the right time. Any sooner and it would have been to early, any later and it would have been sad to watch.

mrbalkie 10-20-2006 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Bungle
Take Royce for example, when he fought Hughes he knew he was going in there as an underdog, he knew that there was a very good chance he would be beaten and it would affect the way people viewed him and his career but he did it anyway. And I dont believe for a minute it was for the money, I think he did it because he absolutely loves the sport and he isn't ready to give up his reputation until there is someone who could take it away from him.

Dude, they paid him $400,000
only the money got him back, otherwise why did they have to pay him so much? thats a nice nest egg.

americanfighter 10-20-2006 02:35 PM

Coture retiered at the right time he was the best but he would get koed verey quickly. That is the efect from getting hit somany times in the past. he saw what was happening and stopped. this sets in at about age 40.


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