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Old 08-04-2008, 11:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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25% of Shoguns victories.....

Have come via so called "soccer kicks". I know we have only seen him once in the octagon and he was injured but im curious to see how he reacts now when he has an opponent on the floor and hes not able to kick them in the head. 25% or 1 out of 4 fights is a very high number considering that it is banned to use that technique within the ufc
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Once again we have been blessed by the infinite wisdom that is villian. I would respond, but it looks like you have a bulletproof arguement there.

Seriously, though, I think Shogun's biggest challenge is going to be getting his cardio going again. He has been out of commision for so long, I am starting to wonder if this was what some members predicted: a career ending injury.
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Once again we have been blessed by the infinite wisdom that is villian. I would respond, but it looks like you have a bulletproof arguement there.

Seriously, though, I think Shogun's biggest challenge is going to be getting his cardio going again. He has been out of commision for so long, I am starting to wonder if this was what some members predicted: a career ending injury.
I know what you mean.

TBF I'm a certified Shogun nuthugger through thick and thin and I think he'd do fine without soccer kicks but it's the injuries and the lay off that have got me worried.

It's sad to contemplate that even with all he's accomplished that in a few years Shogun could be regarded as a "what might have been". I mean his knee could be a permanent hindrance and we may never see Shogun reach even near his potential in the UFC.
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Once again we have been blessed by the infinite wisdom that is villian. I would respond, but it looks like you have a bulletproof arguement there.

Seriously, though, I think Shogun's biggest challenge is going to be getting his cardio going again. He has been out of commision for so long, I am starting to wonder if this was what some members predicted: a career ending injury.
I agree. Coming from someone that has had major knee surgery, I can tell you that it takes a while to get back to even 90% (which is where I plateaued). I think he can come back, but I don't know if he will ever make it to the top of the UFC because of the injury.

And Villian, it's impressive to be able to give such a sound argument without any... ughhh... argument at all. Keep up the good work, and don't strain yourself.
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I know what you mean.

TBF I'm a certified Shogun nuthugger through thick and thin and I think he'd do fine without soccer kicks but it's the injuries and the lay off that have got me worried.

It's sad to contemplate that even with all he's accomplished that in a few years Shogun could be regarded as a "what might have been". I mean his knee could be a permanent hindrance and we may never see Shogun reach even near his potential in the UFC.
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I agree. Coming from someone that has had major knee surgery, I can tell you that it takes a while to get back to even 90% (which is where I plateaued). I think he can come back, but I don't know if he will ever make it to the top of the UFC because of the injury.
All we can do is wait and see, I suppose. And hope...


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Ok guys let me elaborate shogun imo was a little bit overhyped.he was impressive against rampage(broken rib),Lil nog and Arona.
The rest of his opponents were not even ranked.most of his hype is due to his flashy style of fighting and the rest is because he's affiliated with wandy.so when you add it all up a slightly above average fighter who is now 80% of his old self = Mediocore fighter
Rampage had a broken rib cuz Shogun slammed his knee right through his friggin ribcage. He beat top guys in Arona and Rogerio. Overeem twice, but your right he's just mediocre and hasnt really beaten anyone. Your nuttin but a youtube noobie, I can spot guys like you from a mile away.

P.S. I just dont let anyone talk bad about Shogun, ask around lol
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Have come via so called "soccer kicks". I know we have only seen him once in the octagon and he was injured but im curious to see how he reacts now when he has an opponent on the floor and hes not able to kick them in the head. 25% or 1 out of 4 fights is a very high number considering that it is banned to use that technique within the ufc
What would you expect? He's Brazilian, soccer is in their blood.

Anyway, Shogun's shown that he has excellent ground and pound once his opponent has been put on their back. Check out his fight with Alistair Overeem, he caved Alistair's face in with a Fedor-like flying punch!

Shogun even seemed to be quite well adapted to the use of elbows on the ground and the cage in general against Forrest.
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I dunno how many times I've seen this subject come up Cardio will be his biggest problem and not the soccer kicks.
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Although I agree, Jdun, I wouldn't consider Arona one of his best wins. The dude did just go the distance with Silva before that fight while Shogun finished Overeem in under a round.
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A youtube noob cause i'm not a shogun nuthugger? you are clearly out of your nuthugging mind !
No, because your argument was weak and you couldnt get your facts straight. Saying he only beat Rampage cuz he had a broken rib is like saying Anderson Silva only beat Franklin cuz Rich had a broken nose.

Am I a nuthugger? Yes I am, but Im not a blind nutugger I know that.
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